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Old 12-25-2005, 07:41 PM   #1
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Default KC, Tom, others? Thoughts for 2006 . . .

I am pondering what to do in 2006! I have to face it, me and STi just don't seem to mate up right. Can't beat Mark, can't beat Max. And no matter what I do to the car, it just don't seem to work with me. So, I might put the car up for sale. SOMEONE will get a killer STU car for themselves if the price is right!

What the problem for me now is, what to go to? Since the John Cooper Works kit is now LEGAL for STX, that is a serious option I am looking at (thanks to Tom's comments)!!!!! With some other work done to the car, I think going back to my Brit car roots (Spitfires, GT6, Lotus, and Cortina) would be very exciting for me. And I have to admit, the Mini is a sharp looking car right from the get go.

The next option is the 06 350Z Track or GT. It now has 300hp stock, looks sharp as hell, and is RWD - again part of my roots! But, don't want to run stock (HATE having to change to R tires!!!!!), so not sure what class that would be in? STS2? But KC seems to think, at least in stock class, the RX8 beats it out - maybe the 06 is better now?

Another option would be to wait for the new BMW Z4 Coupe to come out, as I used to excel in my old Z3 Coupe, but this would cost $$$$ I am sure.

A far distant choice would be the Mazda RX8. But again, I don't want to run in STOCK class!!!!!!!! I want to be in a Street Touring class.

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Old 12-25-2005, 08:01 PM   #2
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Forget all of those and get a shifter kart. You can always do lap sessions on a day off during the week too.

The JCW Mini looks like a fun route. If you like the BMW route maybe look into an older M3 for STX. front engine rear drive setup sounds like what you've liked in the past.
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Old 12-25-2005, 09:40 PM   #3
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If you like the BMW route maybe look into an older M3 for STX. front engine rear drive setup sounds like what you've liked in the past.
The E36 M3 is an STU car not STX. An E30 M3 is not the most competitive autocross car to have. If you have your heart set on selling the STi and building another car, look into the aforementioned JCW Mini as they will surely be competitive in STX or you could build a Mazda RX8 for STU. They are fitting 18x9.5 inch wheels with 275/35/18 Falkens on them with no problem at all. The RX8 could be competitive in STU as long as the courses don't feature lots of hard acceleration zones where the STI and Evo can really use their power.
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Old 12-25-2005, 10:16 PM   #4
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Oh, and 350Z does not fit into any of the current Street Touring classes.... (yet! I hope.)
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Old 12-25-2005, 11:23 PM   #5
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If you're getting beaten... be truthful to yourself... is it the car, or the driver? I've seen lesser prepped cars with good drivers beat prepped cars with lesser drivers. (Don't read into this guys... it's just a 'saying')

RX8 is still faster than the Z in stock. At least for this year it most likely will be... unless the '06 JCW Mini is just that much faster... but I doubt it. No ST class for the Z.

The 8 can be a fun STU car, but if your goal is to beat STis.... the 8 isn't the ticket in STU, IMHO. It's got the handling down, its got a good balance and brakes... but there's no power to be had... 10-20 at the most... and that's going to cost a pretty penny. Sure, you can run wider tires (and don't think for one second I haven't been tempted... 275s fit easily).. but the 275s are as expensive as, if not more expensive than the 245/35-18 V710s that are the choise of tire on the RX8. The only thing you can do is drop weight with things like blinging ultra $$ light brake calipers and wheels to reduce unsprung weight.

The JCW Mini would be a fun car in STX and I beleive it will do very well, if not win, when driven to its limits. Hell...Courtney kept the WRXs on their toes... and was fastest in the wet believe it or not. Weight matters. HP matters to a certain extent... get a good combo, and you have a competitive package.

Ultimately, you need to do what you need to do. Figure out what you really want. (And 'to win' isn't a valid answer). As I've said to many people... many times... it's not the car that is slow.

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Old 12-26-2005, 12:14 AM   #6
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The E36 M3 is an STU car not STX. An E30 M3 is not the most competitive autocross car to have. If you have your heart set on selling the STi and building another car, look into the aforementioned JCW Mini as they will surely be competitive in STX or you could build a Mazda RX8 for STU. They are fitting 18x9.5 inch wheels with 275/35/18 Falkens on them with no problem at all. The RX8 could be competitive in STU as long as the courses don't feature lots of hard acceleration zones where the STI and Evo can really use their power.

This year proved that STX is still a relatively undeveloped class. 2 of the top 3 weren't WRX's they were BMW's unlike many thought and Courtney wasn't as high as he has been in teh past. Then there are the STS turned STX civics that haven't really shown up yet in much force.

STX can be won by any number of cars still. There is no one car to have yet. The WRX has just had some good early development for the class with KC and Tom as well as others putting a lot of effort into that.
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Old 12-26-2005, 10:04 AM   #7
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An E30 M3 is not the most competitive autocross car to have.
If I could find an E30 M3 that was still in decent shape and already had some modifications done to it I'd personally pick it up and work it into an STX car. I wouldn't tear up a stock one, there are too few of them left, but we have not yet seen what a fully developed STX M3 could do. Looked for a while last year like Tunnell was going to give it a try but he ended up selling the car.
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Old 12-26-2005, 10:06 AM   #8
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This year proved that STX is still a relatively undeveloped class. 2 of the top 3 weren't WRX's they were BMW's unlike many thought and Courtney wasn't as high as he has been in teh past. Then there are the STS turned STX civics that haven't really shown up yet in much force.
Courtney finished so far down because he didn't get a dry run at Nationals on day one. This put him well back in the field with little chance of really good finish even if he was fastest on day two which he wasn't but he did move up several spots. Those BMW's were all 328's if I remember correctly not early M3s.
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Old 12-26-2005, 11:08 AM   #9
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JCW Package:

"Developed by the legendary John Cooper Works Company for a global market, the unique package will be sold exclusively through MINI dealers and will be covered under MINI's comprehensive new car warranty. The package includes a reconfigured cylinder head, uprated supercharger along with special engine electronics and a performance exhaust. This enhancement takes the regular 163 hp MINI Cooper S to over 200 hp.

Importantly for existing USA MINI owners, the package can be retrofitted to their current MINI Cooper S. The complete package comes with an MSRP of $4,500 plus dealer installation.

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Performance is at the heart of the MINI Cooper S and the John Cooper Works Package takes this philosophy one step further. The cornerstone of the package is an enhanced Eaton supercharger with specially coated vanes that generate increased flow pressure. The unit comes with a new pulley design that allows the unit to spin at a higher RPM, generating an increase in power.

A high performance head is also a key ingredient. The modified head has improved port flow and, crucially has been especially designed for the increased compression and heat produced by the supercharger.

The package also includes a reprogrammed Electronic Control Unit (ECU), which manages all engine control functions including airflow, combustion, fueling and spark advance. The enhanced ECU has been recalibrated to optimize power output and drivability, resulting in a lively throttle response and increased acceleration in the mid-range torque band.

Also included in the package is a stainless steel sport exhaust system. The system is a parallel-flow, low backpressure system with superb interior and exterior noise quality. The system adds a throatier, more powerful exhaust note has distinctive looking twin chrome exhaust tips."


I thought things had to be FACTORY installed, and that dealerhip installed didn't cut it... Headwork, pulley that changes boost... It's all after the car is made, and installed by the dealer.

Why is this any different than Renick installing a Turbo Kit on a new 2.5i?

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Old 12-26-2005, 12:35 PM   #10
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Why is this any different than Renick installing a Turbo Kit on a new 2.5i?

-Gagan
On 06's its installed from the factory. Its also available as a option to be installed by the dealer.
Its also available at the dealer because: for those that regret not getting it/ wish to purchase it later. Or update their older MCS's
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:56 PM   #11
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Well have you even prepped the STi to the limits yet? I would consider getting the strano bar on the car and some stiffer springs for those KW V3's before giving up on it. I have to agree with KC that its probably not the car and would suggest trying to get faster in it since its already most of the way prepped and swapping to another car is not going to cheap especially if you find yourself not any faster relative to the class leaders in another car.

When I was waiting for my coilovers and my car wasn't ready to go to a big event I jumped in a buddy's elise and what I learned the most was that I was much better at driving my STi than I was in an elise despite all the fun I was having. I would suggest swapping co drives with a friend in a different car and see what its like firsthand and what they think of your car before buying anything else. But if I had to get a new ride and sell my STi I would not stick with ST just because I am lazy I would seriously consider an AS S2000 or Boxster S or a BS RX8 as changing tires at events is much less work in the long run than changing springs on coilovers 5 times a season and installing all the legal ST mods in a car that you plan to drive on the street regularly.

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Old 12-26-2005, 04:48 PM   #12
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KC and Pink - I know the thing about making the driver faster, been at this since 1974. But you also have to admit, that if the car and the driver don't match each other, it can help to find what car does click with your style. And I have to admit, I won more races in a slower car than I have in a faster car. With a 69 Euorpa that had maybe 95hp at best, I got an FTD overall, and numerous FTD in class. But when I got a killer deal on a 72 Europa with a 180hp Ghordini race engine in it, I sucked badly. I had won a zillion races in an old Spitfire, and when going to a GT6 I just did ok. And recently, I did much better in my old STX WRX than I am now with the STi.

So in that vane of thought, perhaps a lightweight MCS/JCW, with great handling and quick steering response might be fast enough to be fun, yet handle great and get me back into the swing of things with my style of driving.

This is all just a thought at the moment though. And yes, I did get the Strano bar, just have not put it on the car yet. As for going to stiffer springs? Not sure I want to go that route yet - I want to try keeping all the wheels on the ground first. Going too stiff can be a detriment as well.
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Old 12-26-2005, 04:51 PM   #13
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I learned the most was that I was much better at driving my STi than I was in an elise despite all the fun I was having.
Now that is where we are different. As an Elise is more like a modern Europa, if I could fit in the darn thing, I would probably do much better in it. It is more my style from my past
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Old 12-26-2005, 04:52 PM   #14
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Forget all of those and get a shifter kart. You can always do lap sessions on a day off during the week too.
That's what some of us Detroit Region kids are doing.
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Old 12-26-2005, 04:54 PM   #15
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How tall are you? I have seen some pretty big and tall people fit in an elise though getting it and out the with hardtop on it is a bit tricky. Actually the seats in it are surprisingly comfortable once you get in and with the soft top off even some 6'6'' can fit in it with a helmet above the roof line a bit though.
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:06 PM   #16
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If you do well in low powered RWD cars, and want to run on street tires, how about a Miata for STS2? Should be cheap (both car and parts), and fun. STS2 is of course a provisional class, so you can't be sure if it will make it, but the same is the case for STU.
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:23 PM   #17
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a) Strip STi
b) Prep to T2 specs
c) Come crash into people with us
d) ????
e) no profit.

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Old 12-26-2005, 05:44 PM   #18
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Tom, you are a real "GAS" LOL!!!!! Would be cheaper to just go to a carnival and drive the bumper cars

Miata? Yes, I have thought of those. But not too practical for every day if you carry around a bunch of stuff. The Mini will still seat 4, and have some room for luggage. And though I would do better in a slower car, I think after being in an STi for awhile, the Miata would feel like it has a boat anchor behind it. So something in between is what I am looking for

As for the Elise? I am about 6' tall and 240lbs. I tried getting into one once, and had to have someone pull me out of it And it was not because I did not want to get out of it, I just did not want to bust his windshield trying to get out of it. Once in, it is a nice fit (though the pedals are a bit close for my shoe size), but defintately not an every day car (and NOT for when wearing a suit LOL).
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Old 12-26-2005, 10:43 PM   #19
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Just did a test drive of a JC Works "S". Errrr, did seem a wee bit slow compared to our STi's Guess when you get used to a turbo kicking in, an SC seems mild. Handled great though! But no matter what gear, the speedo just seemed to slowly move up the scale. And getting up to near $40K for a Mini is not worth it. Oh well, back to the drawing board . . . . .
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Rocky ... HEY! ... you forgot to mention that EVEN I beat you at the last race, driving Mark's jdm Pink STI with 1.5" of ass dragging droop on the right rear! If people know that EVEN I beat you ... they might suggest suicide, or at least retirement!

Since you won't be a part of Team Blew next year ... I can now officially totally dis you!

NOW, since you KNOW you should be able to beat MeMako ... how about getting chummy and letting people drive your car and you drive the other STI's so we can all do some comparisons. See if you like Mark's new set-up or Max's '06/Stranos set-up.

For our fast courses I think you might benefit by selling me your 245/40's cheaply and buying yourself some 245/45 like all of our other STI's use.

Even though you AREN'T Team Blew anymore ... I'll invite you to our Test 'n Tune on the 7th/8th ... but it's a LONG drive for you up to Camarillo Airport. Maybe spend the night up there.

I don't think you've given yourself enough of a chance in your STI.

What do you guys think about the fact that Rocky seems to refuse to try driving in AUTO. I mean, you've got to give it more then one occasional lap. He likes to get the rear end out, so he thinks he has to keep it in fuill Rear. We have NO problem getting the tail out in AUTO!
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Miata? Yes, I have thought of those. But not too practical for every day if you carry around a bunch of stuff.
You could prep one pretty seriously for STS2 for probably $8k (including the car)... if you parted out your STi and sold it you'd have plenty left over for a daily driver. I mean, you live in California, right?
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a) Strip STi
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c) Come crash into people with us
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e) no profit.

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why do tom's posts always have an outline or bullets?

ninja edit: and always involved using a hack-saw or removing things or breaking things and always profit?

send tracking number?

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It has to do with gnomes and underpants.
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No profit here

Q: How do you make a small fortune in racing?
A: Start with a large fortune

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First thing I would do is grab a co-driver. Someone whom you think is better than you. Or start co-driving with someone who you think is faster than you.

Have you done any evo schools yet?
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