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Old 09-10-2001, 10:06 PM   #1
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Default Pacific Foreset Rally - Saturday September 15th

Pacific Forest Rally presented by Specialty Subaru, round five of the Western Canadian Rally Championship. Performance rally cars from around Western Canada and the Northwest United States will be racing on a tight, challenging gravel road course in BC's interior. This event is sanctioned by the Canadian Association of Rallysport (CARS) and Rally Pacific Motorsports (RPM), and is organized by the West Coast Rally Association (WCRA).

When & where:
September 14-15, 2001
Cache Creek, BC
At the junction of Trans Canada Hwy #1 & BC Hwy #97

Headquarters & Press Room:
Desert Motel, 1069 S Trans Canada Hwy
Cache Creek, BC ph: (250) 457-6226

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REVISED* Schedule (subject to change): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*Friday, September 14, 2001
16:00-18:30 Registration at Wander Inn Restaurant.
16:00-18:00 Scrutineering at Kal Tire, Cache Creek, BC. 18:30-19:30 Parc Expose at Kal Tire, teams available for interviews. 19:30-20:00 Mandatory seed 5 and 6 drivers' meeting. 20:00-20:30 Drivers meeting and introduction of officials.

Saturday, September 15, 2001
08:00-09:00 Parc Expose at Kal Tire.
09:00 Official Start at Kal Tire.
09:00-13:30 First Leg.
13:30-14:30 Lunch Stop.
14:30-19:00 Second Leg.
19:00 End of rally at Desert Motel, Cache Creek, BC.
20:00 Dinner and Awards at Wander Inn Restaurant.

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Format:
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Events in the Western Canadian Rally Championship consist of flat-out rally racing on challenging mountain and forest roads. No practice is allowed. Unlike circuit racing, competitors generally see the course for the first time as they race it. At every moment the driver and co-driver must be ready for what may be around the next curve!

Performance rallies consist of roads designated as "special stages" and "transit sections". Special stages are run flat-out against the clock and are closed to public traffic. Transit sections are the routes linking together the special stages in which teams must obey all traffic laws.

Performance rally vehicles are production-based cars and trucks from manufacturers around the world. They compete both for the overall victory and wins within a class structure that groups together vehicles with similar performance. Each vehicle carries a driver and a co-driver/navigator. Using a detailed route book and a sophisticated rally computer, the co-driver keeps the team on-course and advises the driver of any hazards noted in the route book. This role is as critical as the driver's skill, since the team is traveling at full racing speeds over roads they have never seen before.

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Selected entries:
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· Winners of the 2001 Cochrane Rally of the Ranchlands, and Western Canadian Rally Championship points leaders, Janusz Komorowski and Tomasz Karzynski of Calgary in a Mazda 323 GTX.

· Winner of the regional portion at this year's Big Horn Rally, and last year's 2nd overall Canadian National Novice Driver, Dave Koszegi of Port Alberni, with Bill Westhead of Vancouver, in a Subaru Legacy.

· Winners of the 2001 Mountain Trials Rally, and last year's Pacific Forest Rally winner, Zbigniew Szewczyk of Calgary, with Michael Nicols, in a Toyota Celica.

· 1st overall novice team at this year's Rocky Mountain Rally, and 3rd overall at last year's Pacific Forest Rally, the "Pocky Boys": Mark Ward and Ken Kwong of Vancouver in a Subaru Legacy.

· Winner of the 2000 Edge of the Rock Rally and 10th overall in last weekend's US National, the Wild West Rally, Scott Trinder of Vancouver, with Andy White, in a Subaru Impreza.

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Additional news interest:
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· This year there is an intense battle for overall dominance in the Western Canadian Rally Championship. While Janusz Komorowski leads the overall drivers' title by a win, there are three other drivers separated by a point each in second through fourth. Over in the co-drivers' standings things are even tighter with four points separating first place from fourth. No doubt these competitors will be in a heated battle for valuable series points at the Pacific Forest Rally.

· This year marks the final "dress rehearsal" for the event as it seeks to join the CARS national series as part of the Subaru Canadian Rally Championship, which is broadcast regularly on TSN. Observers will be on hand to evaluate the Pacific Forest Rally and the village of Cache Creek promises to deliver a venue well-suited to events on the national stage.
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Old 09-10-2001, 10:18 PM   #2
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I'm leaving for Cache Creek on Friday afternoon and coming back Sunday. It takes about the same amount of time for me to go West Van - Whistler - Pemberton - Lilloet - Cache Creek as it does to use highway #1 and go via Hope.

The Whistler route is more entertaining - isn't it Ashton

I'm aiming to be there for the 8pm drivers meeting, so that means leaving around 4pm from West Van. That leaves plenty of time for the trip and makes most of it during daylight. Last time was total darkness and the Subaru lights are just not very good in the wilderness. If anyone wants to caravan up there, just let me know by posting here.

The spectator area is about half way into the longest stage. If you are driving your own car, you get to run about 12-15 km of the stage up the mountain and down on the return. At a sensible pace naturally. Remember you have no roll cage or rally tires.

The run back on Sunday will start sometime after breakfast.

Because I am working the rally, I have a room organized for me. If you plan to stay over Friday or Saturday it is best to book ahead of time. Even the motel owner is rally fan.
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Old 09-10-2001, 11:50 PM   #3
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im heading over friday afternoon with some irc people to work the event hope to see you there petrie your cars is blue right? i think i saw it at a mini meet in april
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Old 09-10-2001, 11:52 PM   #4
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I am planning on heading up on Saturday (to spectate only, unfortunately). The website for the PFR does not say how to get to the spectator's area nor when we are supposed to arrive there.

Petrie, can you fill me in on this, or let me know who I should contact to find this information.

I am really looking forward this!!
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Old 09-11-2001, 12:11 AM   #5
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From the map I have, there are 2 spectator areas. One for the morning stages and one for the afternoon.

Send me email and I'll return you a map of the route.

When you get the map, Scottie Creek area are the morning stages and Battle Creek are the afternoon stages.

I think the spectator areas are at S and C respectively. Makes sense as the ambulance is there.

First car out of Cache Creek is due at 9am. Stages start at 9:20.
Afternoon stages start at 2:30pm

Naturally, you should be installed in the stage before the cars are running, unless you get a number and stand in line.

Looking forward to seeing you guys this weekend. Yes my car is blue. Usually clean but probably not so by the time you see it

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Old 09-11-2001, 12:28 AM   #6
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Damn!!! I will be in London, of all places. Anybody want anything from the UK or Finland? That won't get me arrested or not fit in my luggage, of course.
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Old 09-11-2001, 12:36 AM   #7
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Nokia, right? If you're going to Tampere stay clear of the drunk woman that prowls the hotel foyer at 4am in the morning
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Old 09-11-2001, 12:44 PM   #8
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Originally posted by Blownscooby
I am planning on heading up on Saturday (to spectate only, unfortunately). The website for the PFR does not say how to get to the spectator's area nor when we are supposed to arrive there.

Petrie, can you fill me in on this, or let me know who I should contact to find this information.

I am really looking forward this!!
If you're looking for spectator info the link is on the rallybc.com home page. Download the Spectator Guide at:

http://www.rallybc.com/archives/2001...ator_Guide.pdf

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Old 09-12-2001, 09:49 AM   #9
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Old 09-12-2001, 09:21 PM   #10
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Nokia, right? If you're going to Tampere stay clear of the drunk woman that prowls the hotel foyer at 4am in the morning
Personal experience? ..... Or former occupation?

Okok, no more OT.
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Old 09-13-2001, 06:56 PM   #11
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Everyone who can make it should go.

It is the 'ultimate' Subaru caravan. Showing Subaru support will help assist CARS (Canadian Association of Rallysport) make a good decision for BC - Subaru is the series sponsor !

Come on up, bring your imprezas and drive em like they were supposed to be driven -> for extra fun do the Whistler -> liloet loop on the way up or way home - I can fill in some details on some other roads in the Fraser canyon that take a while but are max fun to get home on...

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Old 09-14-2001, 02:25 AM   #12
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I'm leaving from downtown after my meeting at 3pm. Anyone else going that wants to convoy, please post here.
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Old 09-16-2001, 07:09 PM   #13
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It's the nature of rally events that there are lots of stories, exhaustion, great memories and huge fun. You guys missed a great event. Here's a summary...

The rally route had to be revised on Friday night because cows had wandered into the morning stage areas. No one seemed to like the idea of spearing a cow with a rally car, so the changes were made. After many long night hours on Friday, the organizers had built a new rally event to start, on time, at 7am Saturday.

Mark & Ken's Legacy was, initially, pushing out gob loads (that's a technical term) of boost. Going up the first stage, they were easily hitting 140kph. Remember this is on the loose stuff, not tarmac. Pat Richard's championship winning RS is now being driven by Scott Trinder and started as he meant to go on (fast).

Mark & Ken had a quiet moment near the end of the first stage. The result of which was an immediate DNF as the car refused to move due to the rear axle pointing in an unusual direction. They have video footage of that first stage and will be posting it on their web site soon.

5 cars in all did not finish. Two cars being stuck on one of the late afternoon stages caused the following stage to be cancelled and gave the remaining competitors the opportunity to transit slowly down the mountain to reach the service point. This is the first time they have been up or down the mountain slowly. It was an alarming experience for most of them as they saw for the first time what the spectators see when they go slowly up to the spectator area. Namely, that the drop off the mountain is a considerable one. I'm sure that something else must have been responsible for the slower times that ensued when they ran the stage again later that afternoon.

Scott Trinder with Andy White (Subaru RS) won the rally and Dave Koszegi with Bill Westhead (Subaru Legacy) were second. Great result for both teams and well deserved. If only Mark and Ken could have kept going. A dream Subaru 1,2-3 perhaps.

For my part, I had huge fun driving the course opening car. Special thanks to Pat Richard for the loan of rally wheels and tires. They made a big difference and my street tires would have punctured for sure at some point. For the record, I did not go off and the car is fine. The front skid plate is now battle weary and has already saved my engine. The DMS Golds were fantastic. Rough or smooth, it was all the same just bloody brilliant. My job was to drive slowly and make sure everything was in the right place before the faster cars came through. I would like to make a special thank you to my co-driver who's experience was invaluable. I really started to get to grips with "easy right over crest, don't cut" This was my first time and I was determined to drive well within my comfort zone. Still on the top of the mountain 3rd & 4th gear 110 kph stretches put a smile on my face. I must resist the temptation to get competitve here. They need someone to drive the course cars.

Information about the rally I can share with you. The party afterwards courtesy of RRun Racing and some new friends from Africa that are die hard rally guys shall remain a secret, until you bribe me with drink I can tell you that Hughie was a popular consultant on the big white telephone for most participants.

Rally is about friends, stories and great experiences. Pocky, Pocky, Pocky !!!! next meet in Boston Bar for PIE !

You guys should at least come out and see some of this stuff. Better still take part.
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Old 09-17-2001, 01:06 AM   #14
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i had a great time up there it was fun a little dusty at times but worth every mouth full. and thanks to mark and ken for a fun saturday night, petrie i think you said it best "pocky, pocky, pocky"
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Old 09-17-2001, 05:42 PM   #15
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Ditto what GR said. Was a first for me to watch a rally in person, and was great. I'm an ice racer guy, (Mazda RX7's) so this was a good switch. Just have to convince my wife that her car should be race prepped.......

Regards,
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Thanks for the report Peter! I agree it is kinda silly that we get 15+ people to come to Cactus Club to ogle at the waitress and hardly anybody wants to wake up early enough to spectate a real rally.

As for myself, I had a lot of stuff to attend to this weekend and couldn't sacrifice 2 days to come up. When is the next event in BC? With some advance planning I should be able to make it...
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Old 09-17-2001, 06:49 PM   #17
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There are 2 rally events at Cache Creek each year. Mountain Trials is late June and this one mid September. If BC get a national event next year (and we all hope they do) it will be one or other of these dates.

Other than TSD events, that's it for BC this year.

I hope that next year more of you guys will come out to support rallying in BC. I guarantee that it is better to be there than watch it on TV.
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Old 09-17-2001, 09:34 PM   #18
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i agree with you again petrie nothing like watching a car fly past you at +120km. TV doesnt do it any justice on fast they are going.
same goes to you petrie you werent dilly dallying down those roads, you were moving pretty good as well.
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Old 09-17-2001, 09:43 PM   #19
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I was only worried that Pat would kill me if I went off

That was my first time on rally stages with rally tires and it was a blast. The car was very easy to drive. Absolutely no hairy moments. I'll get faster with more practice.
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Petrie, Bill, thanks for the instructions on how to get to the rally. This was the first time I had seen a rally that wasn't on TV. I was very impressed with the organization, the quality of the event, and of course the drivers.

Patr looked like he was having more fun than the racers themselves

Of course, I had a good time driving my WRX up to the spectator's area, but clearly my 17" Yokohama AVS sports are NOT designed for the dirt. I was worried I would get a puncture or dent my wheels but the worst that happened was my car got a bit dusty.

All in all, a very cool event
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Old 09-18-2001, 10:05 AM   #21
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Your car look sweet on those wheels. I checked them out before you went up to the spectator area.
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Old 09-19-2001, 12:53 AM   #22
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Thanks Petrie! Although for the transit up to the spectators area, I would much rather have had the Racelines with gravel tires on them

Your RS looked really cool with them on.

I just heard about the TSD rally school in Chilliwack at the end of the month. Unfortunately, I have to be in the Okanagan that weekend, otherwise I would want in on that.

Maybe next time.
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