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Old 05-29-2009, 02:54 PM   #4151
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i still say, imo and from years of experience and having a fmic...

a subaru is not designed to run a fmic, you hack the bumper, remove the bumper beam and you have to relocate things. FMIC's typically bend your stock fuel lines and pop couplers under pressure...

5-10 less HP with no headaches and not constantly having to worry about the fmic is > actually having one imo.

sure there are plenty of people using them and they work fine, but for the kind of driving most people do, the tmic will more than suffice. When i had a fmic, i made more power, but it lagged a lot worse and the cars i used to beat, started beating me.... I got so mad with always having to tinker with it and the lag it gave and i took it off and sold it. I went back to a tmic and was happy again

unless you have a 35R+ the fmic is a waste

but again, this is my opinion w/ first hand experience

one last thing... those ebay fmic's are garbage... the fitment is mediocre at best, the relocation items are crap and do not work and you have ZERO customer support... if you get a front mount, i would highly suggest the P&L performance kit... spend the money, do it right, quit trying to bling bling with a cheap fmic
I have to agree with you on a lot of your points. If I had to do it all over again, I would've gotten a quality top mount and added heat shielding to everything in the engine bay. Seeing how many people are putting out great numbers with a Dom3 or equivalent with just a quality tmic and with awesome boost response to boot.

The only nagging issue I had with the tmic was heatsoak...unless you ran meth, you were going to heatsoak in any hot climate. That tmic would get real hot, quick after sitting at a light. Now going with a fmic, I don't have any more issues with heatsoak....now my nagging issues are increased lag and boost leak paranoia. LOL. It's a trade off...but that's with any fmic kit.

But I have to disagree that the ssac fmic is not garbage. At least, not completely . It works great for the price and perfect for the budget engine builder. It's not mechanical so why not skimp a little on this item to instead get that quality turbo, coilover, injectors, pistons, etc. that is actually mechanical. All it is, is piping and a core. So as long as it cools the charge somewhat, stays un-heatsoaked, and keeps the pressure within the pipes, I don't see why it's garbage.
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Old 07-04-2009, 01:47 PM   #4152
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anyone running this with a stock td04?
I'm planning on upgrading turbo next year.
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:34 PM   #4153
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I've had an XS Power/ SSAC FMIC kit for about 2 1/2 years and its worked great..at my current power level with an 18G but now its time to upgrade to a v7 ej207 and a 35r so im looking at options to replace just the core. I have a these 2 in mind;

-Hyperflow 9"x29"x3.7"
-TurboXS 9.5"x29.5"x3.5"

Anyone else have any others that will fit on the SSAC bumperbeam and the piping?
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:13 PM   #4154
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can you get those cores from the manufacturer without buying the whole kit? I tried contacting TXS and no luck.

I found a Treadstone Core that would most likely fit as well as a Spearco core...

Treadstone: http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...10+Intercooler

Spearco: (need 2 reducer couplers)http://www.turboneticsinc.com/produc...&category_id=9
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Old 07-17-2009, 12:12 AM   #4155
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I've had an XS Power/ SSAC FMIC kit for about 2 1/2 years and its worked great..at my current power level with an 18G but now its time to upgrade to a v7 ej207 and a 35r so im looking at options to replace just the core. I have a these 2 in mind;

-Hyperflow 9"x29"x3.7"
-TurboXS 9.5"x29.5"x3.5"

Anyone else have any others that will fit on the SSAC bumperbeam and the piping?
I run an SSAC FMIC on my EJ207 with a GT3076R CHRA bolt-on and it does the job for me. I'm not sure why you want to change out the core as it doesn't cause too much pressure drop across the core (which it doesn't, unless you see less than 1psi as a problem) and it keeps the charge air cool (which it does).

This kit is great value and has been used on a number of 400+whp cars now, and apart from a few fitment issues on various models (which are easy enough to fix) and the need to use the SSAC intercooler mount/support bar or cut your bumper beam, all is good.

If you want to increase cooling efficency, buy a $25 hobbs switch to activate a water spray that sprays the core whenever you pass a specific boost threshold

Unless you are going to spend top dollar on a custom FMIC kit with a high flowing bar and plate core that is highly efficent, then I wouldn't bother as the performance benefits of going to another cheap core will be marginal at best.

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Old 07-17-2009, 01:44 PM   #4156
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anyone running this with a stock td04?
I'm planning on upgrading turbo next year.
Wait until you get you get a bigger turbo^. I run a fp20g with an ssac fmic.Works good. Boost kicks in @3700rpms. People spend good money on big turbos, so why not protect your investment with a fmic? Tmic's=heat soak.Last i checked this is bad for the turbo correct? The key to all this is a good tune by a good tuner.
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Old 07-17-2009, 05:58 PM   #4157
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I run an SSAC FMIC on my EJ207 with a GT3076R CHRA bolt-on and it does the job for me. I'm not sure why you want to change out the core as it doesn't cause too much pressure drop across the core (which it doesn't, unless you see less than 1psi as a problem) and it keeps the charge air cool (which it does).

This kit is great value and has been used on a number of 400+whp cars now, and apart from a few fitment issues on various models (which are easy enough to fix) and the need to use the SSAC intercooler mount/support bar or cut your bumper beam, all is good.

If you want to increase cooling efficency, buy a $25 hobbs switch to activate a water spray that sprays the core whenever you pass a specific boost threshold

Unless you are going to spend top dollar on a custom FMIC kit with a high flowing bar and plate core that is highly efficent, then I wouldn't bother as the performance benefits of going to another cheap core will be marginal at best.

Leslie.
Im not really concerned with the pressure drop on the SSAC fmic, i'm mostly concerned with the cooling ability of it, have you taken a look inside? The fin density compared to other units, for example the TurboXS unit, is half. So if your running one and making 420whp its posible you could be at 435 or more with a better unit.

I guess I could get an intercooler sprayer as a band-aid to make up for cooling efficiency, but thats not what I want.
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:50 PM   #4158
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Get Meth that is what I plan on doing...if it doesn't hold up then well, I'll source a core.

I'm at 355/362 with a 30R .63 a/r on a Mustang Dyno....hoping to break 400 with meth.
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:02 PM   #4159
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Meth will be part of my setup...and maybe E85
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Old 07-18-2009, 09:07 AM   #4160
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Im not really concerned with the pressure drop on the SSAC fmic, i'm mostly concerned with the cooling ability of it, have you taken a look inside?
First thing I did when I got it - but it does it's job perfectly fine and that is all I really care about.

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The fin density compared to other units, for example the TurboXS unit, is half. So if your running one and making 420whp its posible you could be at 435 or more with a better unit.
Just because one core has more fins, DOES NOT mean it will allow you to make more power. In actual fact, the higher the fin density, the more restriction there is and the higher the pressure drop across the core.

I'm not saying more fins is a bad thing, as it could increase cooling efficieny and possibly allow you to run more boost safely - but rather the higher the fin density the higher the pressure drop is across the core.

Also, even if I did get a turbo xs core, I don't see it is being able to increase my whp as you suggest if boost remains the same

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I guess I could get an intercooler sprayer as a band-aid to make up for cooling efficiency, but thats not what I want.
lol, nice twist of words. As I said, many ppl use the SSAC on cars making well over 400whp, some with their GT35s too - and none need a water spray lol.

I only suggested a water spray as a cheaper alternative to a full custom intercooler using a top quality bar and plate core, not as something that is required if you buy the SSAC fmic kit.


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Old 07-18-2009, 02:50 PM   #4161
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I just don't think people can get over the fact that ssac works great and is hella cheap.My main issue with this product is that i had to spend a lil extra to get the pipes to fit right.And I had a heavy duty bracket made, because the one it came with is a flimsy peice of ***t.
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Old 07-18-2009, 10:54 PM   #4162
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Yeah, if the manufacturer isn't plastered all over their fav JDM suby or found as a decal in Forza or Need for Speed, then it must be crap .

It has been pointed out all through this thread that there can be a few fitment issues between models, but the kit is cheap and the fitment issues are nothing a home handyman couldn't sort out.

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Old 07-20-2009, 06:42 AM   #4163
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Has anybody heard of any for sale, been trying to get the "nasioc special" for a while now.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:36 AM   #4164
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without looking at this entire thread . can anyone give opinion of fit on a 07 wrx ? also what is the nasioc price ? thanks
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:19 PM   #4165
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any of these available anywhere?
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:54 PM   #4166
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there is a huge wait on these. Just look a few pages back and there is contact info for who in the company to order with.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:17 PM   #4167
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I have helped install a few and there were minor fitment issues. They did however work. Call me a brand whore if you like but I still wouldn't run one my car.

I can say a lot of the locals have ebay parts, and usually more "parts" than me, yet I always seem to be faster..... hmmmmm.

Thats not to say you couldn't use pipe work, downpipes etc. I just dont trust anything more complicated than bending some pipe to the knock off shops. IC cores & turbos? No F'in way.

As always YMMV.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:21 PM   #4168
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without looking at this entire thread . can anyone give opinion of fit on a 07 wrx ? also what is the nasioc price ? thanks
Yes it will fir the 07 wrx with no problem because i had one on my 07. I think the nasioc price is somewhere around 300 shipped.
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:44 PM   #4169
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what sort of power are people making with this kit? anyone in the 350 range?
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Old 09-14-2009, 02:10 AM   #4170
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Using one of the cheap big ass FMIC.




Using this K probe device....



Ambiant temp was 82 degrees @ 9pm......

Cruising the pre IC temp is about 95ish, post is 85ish....

Get on the loud pedal.....

100, 110,120,130,140,150,160,180,------ At 4500 rpm the temp goes over 200 and I forgot to set it to read higher.

But Post IC? Highest was about 95.

Thank goodness for the intercooler!!!!!!

I drove around today with just 1 probe in the INLET to the turbo. Just the air entering the turbo was 150 degrees or warmer!!!!! If I would get off boost and the BOV would vent, then the temp would bump up to 170ish from the burst of air out of the turbo.... I really really want to reroute my IC pipes so I can get the cone filter OUT of the engine bay and into the fenderwell!!!!!

At the track tonight I compared the two.

Hotside of turbo = 370 f!!!!!!!!!!!!
Throttle body = 96!!!!!!

Later I was hiting much higher temps coming out of the turbo, like 400-500f! But post IC was just 110 or so....
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:24 AM   #4172
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I'm buying a used kit. Are all the ic pipes and required couplers show here?

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Old 09-21-2009, 11:21 AM   #4173
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That doesn't look like SSAC piping mate.

If it is, then it has been cut in a few places, so I'd make sure those places where it has been cut have had the lip rolled again.

Also, not one of my piping pieces had a weld on it, they were all bent to the shape required and had couplers for joining - I notice that one of the pipes in the pick has been cut and rewelded!

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Old 09-21-2009, 05:06 PM   #4174
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correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like it was redone to do a counter clockwise flow.... notice the sharp bend at the bottom of the one pipe with the sharp radium coupler... looks like the reverse style of the slow boy racing FMIC.... but yeah... it is not stock SSAC, pipes.

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Possible, but I still doubt it is an SSAC fmic kit.

The SSAC piping can be installed for clockwise and counter clockwise flow without the need to cut any pipe - it is a simple as disconnecting the the pipe piece that connects to the throttle body at the throttle body coupler end and moving/twisting it to the turbo comp outlet coupler and then moving/twisting the pipe that connected to the turbo comp outlet coupler over to the throttle body coupler.

I still think it is a different piping kit.

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