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Old 01-06-2006, 01:08 AM   #76
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They want you to use the intercooler bracket bolts in the top of the core where that one rectangle with the threaded holes is welded on.
Yeah, I saw that but I would have had to make a plate of use really big washers. I just let that out. It's secured by the bottom two bolts and, of course, the hoses. It's not going anywhere.
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:37 AM   #77
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2 huge washers, and it's on lock down now ! Still reluctant to start hacking at my bumper though...
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Old 01-07-2006, 03:56 AM   #78
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where did you guys order the xs power fmic from? there site or from ebay? they have the kit for 700 dollar at there site how the hell you guys got it for $400?
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Old 01-07-2006, 12:45 PM   #79
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SCOOB...27013980QQrdZ1

Go to their store view and type "wrx" into the search.
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Old 01-07-2006, 10:22 PM   #80
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These people are hilarious. I think I am going to buy mine now because they just made me piss in my pants. Here's what they had to say about the price of their 2JZ manifold:

"COMPARE THIS SETUP TO ANY OTHER 2JZGE KIT
AND WE WILL BEAT IT LIKE A RED-HEADED STEPCHILD"
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Old 01-09-2006, 10:42 AM   #81
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Finally got my xs power FMIC kit this weekend, and as everyone has noted, it appears to be quite good in quality, especially considering it was half the cost of comparable kits. The stainless polished pipes were much nicer than I had anticipated, with beads on all ends to help retain couplers. Clamps were also of good quality, and the sillicon couplers were pretty standard. Of course nothing can be perfect, and there are certainly some quality control issues such as the inconsistent polishing job on the end tanks, and some loss of intercooler fins due to welding of the end tanks. Overall, this kit is definitely a great buy IMHO, but if you are one who needs everything to be as close to "perfect" as possible, you may be disappointed.

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Old 01-09-2006, 10:56 AM   #82
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FOR THE MONEY - You just plain cannot beat it. Period.
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Old 01-09-2006, 11:22 AM   #83
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where did you guys order the xs power fmic from? there site or from ebay? they have the kit for 700 dollar at there site how the hell you guys got it for $400?
SSAutochrome has monthly specials. Back in the Sept/Oct timeframe, the FMIC was their special, so I just bought it off their website for $450 shipped. Looks like it is $800 off the website, so your best bet right now is ebay. It looks like they've wised up a bit...they list 4 FMICs, and it's the only wrx product they are selling that doesn't have a "buy it now" option - I'm guessing they are experimenting with how much they can get for it.
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Old 01-09-2006, 12:34 PM   #84
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SSA seems to list everything they have on their website and have in stock on ebay for the "special" pricing. Ebay is the way to go right now. Definitely do not spend $800 off their website.

These FMIC kits are now being listed starting at a penny, but there is a reserve. I'd guess the reserve is around 350-375. Watch the shipping charge (~$50 I think). Most people here paid 425-450 including shipping, so keep that in mind when you bid, although even $500 shipped is a good deal.

Also note they provide no warranty, while some others provide a 1 year warranty to the original purchaser. Pay with a credit card in case it is DOA and they decide to play dodgeball (core leak or something). Hopefully this is standard practice for you all anyway.

I didn't mention it earlier, but the inside of the hose couplers is a softer rubber material, while the outside feels like cotton guass. You can tighten the bloody **** out of them with the t-bolts.

I blew a pipe off the other day. It was the coupling between the 90 degree elbow and the first IC pipe. I tightened it down better and haven't had problems since. I think that is probably the most likely pipe to pop off. Either side of the 90 degree elbow. Pressure is greatest there, plus there is nothing "behind" the pipe holding it in place. Fair warning, although I think this applies to any kit. I have both clamps on the elbow cranked down pretty hard and suggest you do the same.

Other than that, still running great. I haven't recorded a single knock event since I got the new piece.

I agree I think they're trying to get more out of the kits. Last time (October-ish) their stock flew out the door at break-neck speed and they were out for about two months. I'm guessing if you stay patient you can still get one for about the same price. The same thing happened with their Tiburon V6 header when it came out. They started at BIN @ 250, sold like hotcakes, so they went back and started putting them in at a penny with a reserve. For a while, people paid more, then thing settled again.
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Old 01-09-2006, 02:10 PM   #85
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I blew a pipe off the other day. It was the coupling between the 90 degree elbow and the first IC pipe. I tightened it down better and haven't had problems since. I think that is probably the most likely pipe to pop off. Either side of the 90 degree elbow. Pressure is greatest there, plus there is nothing "behind" the pipe holding it in place.
That is the one that has leaked with me too. I tightened them all EXTREMELY tight. So tight that I broke a t-bolt connector. It's a good thing they sent me 2 spare couplers and 2 spare 2-bolt clamps. You can't beat that.

I found the leaks by doing a pressure test (putting compressed air into the charge pipe right after the turbo). You'd be suprised how tight you have to make it. Really tight.
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Old 01-09-2006, 05:21 PM   #86
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That is the one that has leaked with me too. I tightened them all EXTREMELY tight. So tight that I broke a t-bolt connector. It's a good thing they sent me 2 spare couplers and 2 spare 2-bolt clamps. You can't beat that.

I found the leaks by doing a pressure test (putting compressed air into the charge pipe right after the turbo). You'd be suprised how tight you have to make it. Really tight.
When I used to work on supercharged V8s, it was common for couplers on the charge side to leak regardless of how hard the clamps are cranked. We learned to deal with it by using some "Automotive Goop":

http://www.acehardware.com/sm-automo...i-1418956.html

It is basically a glue/sealant which forms a hard rubbery seal when dry. It is not permanent, but provides a very strong hold.

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Old 01-09-2006, 05:25 PM   #87
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to inform everyone i emailed them ssautochrome and they gave me the kit for the price they listed it for and i got it shipped and everything for 425 so just shoot them a email and c what u can work out, just dont pay more then 450
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Old 01-10-2006, 03:58 AM   #88
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**** i emailed them couple times and never reply to any of my message. i got a question i just won bidding on the fmic at ebay and i tryed keep in touch with them asking if the kit comes with coolant reservoir and oil hoses for the valve cover pcv. Because the picture of the fmic they show on the auction doesn't show it and doesn't say on the description. Do these parts automatic comes with the kit or I have to ask them about it?
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:44 AM   #89
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**** i emailed them couple times and never reply to any of my message. i got a question i just won bidding on the fmic at ebay and i tryed keep in touch with them asking if the kit comes with coolant reservoir and oil hoses for the valve cover pcv. Because the picture of the fmic they show on the auction doesn't show it and doesn't say on the description. Do these parts automatic comes with the kit or I have to ask them about it?
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:20 AM   #90
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^^^ Yes, their customer service is terrible.

It does come with a coolant reservoir. The only things it is missing (at least when I bought it in October) were:

1) 2.75"->2.5" reducer for the throttle body
2) Filter for the short ram intake (I already had a perrin, so no big deal for me)
3) BOV - Either buy a TurboXS style (what I did) or buy a flange and weld the stocker on.
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Old 01-12-2006, 02:51 PM   #91
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it wudn't matter if it was 2.5 -> 2.75 correct?

found couple on ebay.
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Old 01-12-2006, 02:51 PM   #92
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3) BOV - Either buy a TurboXS style (what I did) or buy a flange and weld the stocker on.
Or you can use a TXS adapter flange thing and a 90 degree elbow to use the stock BPV without welding.

As to the charge hose popping; is there enough room for *two* clamps on each side of the elbow? Would that help?
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Old 01-12-2006, 02:53 PM   #93
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Same thing, yes. 2.5 to 2.75, there is no direction, just a straight couple.

I don't think there is enough room for two clamps on the turbo compressor side of the elbow, but the compressor has a larger lip on it, plus there isn't as much "give" in that direction. The top of the elbow, the part that connects to the IC piping, has lots of give. The charge air is pushing that 120 deg bend straight back towards the firewall. I think you could fit two clamps on it, but I wouldn't bother.

You can put an incredible amount of force on a T-bolt clamp. A screw type you use a screwdriver and have almost no mechanical advantage since you are turning it only a few millimeters from the axis of rotation. On a T-bolt, you get several inches of mechanical advantage with a wrench, plus the thread pitch is much finer than a screw. Both contribute to a lot of total mechanical advantage.

I'd just make the recommendation to fit that elbow carefully, and make sure the bead on the IC pipe is far enough inside the elbow so the clamp locks it in. And tighten that one down well in particular. I wouldn't use more than a 5" long wrench or socket driver, and don't put your body into it or anything, but make it pretty tight.

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Old 01-12-2006, 03:00 PM   #95
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Yes, that's the reducer. So you're the one I talked to on Aim.

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Old 01-12-2006, 03:07 PM   #96
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=D hallo, *waves back* lol yeah finally got the $$ to purchase the FMIC in the near coming week.

just got a b&b catback! i think im in love
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Old 01-12-2006, 03:17 PM   #97
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By the way, I installed the core a couple days ago. It really wasn't bad at all; probably 2 hours of actual work and that was taking it nice and slow. Unfortunately, during my extremely careful cutting with a dremel along a line I managed to nick the bumper skin with the freakin' dremel chuck several times. Durrrr...

Will probably get to the piping this weekend; waiting for the reducer to come in.

Oh yeah, couple things worth knowing for the install: you probably want to get some washers. The bolt heads barely hang on to the somewhat oversized slots both on the core brackets and the bumper beam unless you use a washer; this wasn't mentioned in the instructions. I used 5/16" cut and fender washers.

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Old 01-12-2006, 03:20 PM   #98
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mind me asking to the sti ppl.

after installing it. r u guys driving it around w/o a tune?

if u r. hows it feel?
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Old 01-12-2006, 03:42 PM   #99
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I have yet to make any changes to my UTEC map, but I did record a 7 count the other night right after a somewhat hard 2-3 shift. I'm going to have to go back and check a few things. This is the first time I've seen knock with the new kit, and I've pegged it plenty of times.

Boost doesn't spike and actually builds softly to target boost, so I'll probably make my boost settings more agressive, specifically boost gain. I think I also need to increase my boost map values in the 2500-3800 area or so.

I'm not sure I'd worry about the IC itself as much as the shortram intake screwing things up. People have problems with intakes alone without tuning.

The car runs great for the most part, though.
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Depending on your mods you should be able to drive around with it just fine. I drove around on a really rough self tune for a few months no problem. You'll notice it most on the top end methinks.
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