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Old 12-29-2005, 11:17 PM   #1
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What pedal covers have people found work for getting the STI brake pedal wider and at a better level with the gas pedal. Its giving me a little trouble heel and toeing without wide shoes on.

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Old 12-30-2005, 02:09 AM   #2
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The pedals are set up pretty damn well for heel/toe...

I didn't think it was possible to heel/toe in a Miata with stock pedals until someone showed me that I just needed to do it differently than I thought...

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Old 12-30-2005, 04:27 AM   #3
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I just went out and bought Autozone bolt on pedal covers. Then I actually only installed the one for the brake pedal. That raised it and made it a little wider. Maybe not the best or most expensive solution, but it certainly helps.
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Old 12-30-2005, 10:37 AM   #4
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+1 for technique. The STi's pedal position is better than most for heel/toe, and can be done in any shoe, or even barefoot (well, at least I can do it barefoot but then I have 10EEEs ).
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:12 AM   #6
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not sure how you folks heel and toe, but the way i do it, my foot slips off the brake when getting into the gas.
If you do it the old school way actually with Heel and Toe, yeah its good, but with the invention of power brakes you dont need that much force on the brake and i pivot the ball of my foot between the brake and gas and for that my foot is not wide enough for good control of both.
Am I missing something?
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:14 PM   #7
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*Bend gas pedal as per GarySheehan's STi-specific instructions below. My brute monkey force instructiosn work for the WRX just fine, but may be ill-advised for the drive-by-wire cars*

Repeat as necessary until pedals are satisfactorily close. You can also adjust the brake pedal height if that's still not enough.

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Old 12-30-2005, 02:56 PM   #8
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Grab gas pedal, use brute monkey arm force, bend closer to brake pedal. Repeat as necessary until pedals are satisfactorily close. You can also adjust the brake pedal height if that's still not enough.
Ditto.

Also, take the slack out of the brake pedal if you haven't already done so.
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:20 PM   #9
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Grab gas pedal, use brute monkey arm force, bend closer to brake pedal. Repeat as necessary until pedals are satisfactorily close. You can also adjust the brake pedal height if that's still not enough.
There's some kind of pulley contraption connected to the pedal though...should I bend the pedal in such a way as to not place stress on that? Or can I just yank away?
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:29 PM   #10
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Grab gas pedal, use brute monkey arm force, bend closer to brake pedal. Repeat as necessary until pedals are satisfactorily close. You can also adjust the brake pedal height if that's still not enough.
No pertinent info to add except the fact that this is the first post I've seen all week to me laugh out loud! +1 for highlarious!!
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:35 PM   #11
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Brake with toes, lift heel and rotate foot 20 deg CCW. Drop heel.....

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Old 01-06-2006, 03:37 PM   #12
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not sure how you folks heel and toe, but the way i do it, my foot slips off the brake when getting into the gas.
If you do it the old school way actually with Heel and Toe, yeah its good,
Well, by definition, it's called heel-and-toe because you use your heel and your toe! Learn to do this rather than using the left-side of your foot for the brake and right-side for your gas. I would argue you can get better control of both brake and throttle using proper heel-and-toe, plus you'll be able to do it on any car you jump into, not just one with huge pedal covers.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:43 PM   #13
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Grab gas pedal, use brute monkey arm force, bend closer to brake pedal. Repeat as necessary until pedals are satisfactorily close. You can also adjust the brake pedal height if that's still not enough.
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BEND THE STI GAS PEDAL BY HAND!!!

It is a fly-by-wire pedal and the pedal arm is mounted in a plastic bracket. You WILL break this bracket off if you try to move the gas pedal over. Then you will have to pay roughly $170 for a new assembly. Don't ask how I know this. Let's just say there was a certain 25 Hour STi that wasn't able to go anywhere for awhile...

Unplug the harness to the gas pedal and remove the two nuts that hold the pedal to the firewall. Once you've got the assembly out, put the pedal arm in a vice, then bend the part of the pedal arm that is not held in the vice.

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DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BEND THE STI GAS PEDAL BY HAND!!!

It is a fly-by-wire pedal and the pedal arm is mounted in a plastic bracket. You WILL break this bracket off if you try to move the gas pedal over. Then you will have to pay roughly $170 for a new assembly. Don't ask how I know this. Let's just say there was a certain 25 Hour STi that wasn't able to go anywhere for awhile...

Unplug the harness to the gas pedal and remove the two nuts that hold the pedal to the firewall. Once you've got the assembly out, put the pedal arm in a vice, then bend the part of the pedal arm that is not held in the vice.

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Gary,
Did you do anything to bring the brake pedal up so it wouldn't dip so low below the accelerator or did you just bend the arm slightly to the right?

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DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BEND THE STI GAS PEDAL BY HAND!!!

It is a fly-by-wire pedal and the pedal arm is mounted in a plastic bracket. You WILL break this bracket off if you try to move the gas pedal over. Then you will have to pay roughly $170 for a new assembly. Don't ask how I know this. Let's just say there was a certain 25 Hour STi that wasn't able to go anywhere for awhile...

Unplug the harness to the gas pedal and remove the two nuts that hold the pedal to the firewall. Once you've got the assembly out, put the pedal arm in a vice, then bend the part of the pedal arm that is not held in the vice.

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... and even then be careful. And actually, make sure you've really tried to use the OEM positions effectively first. I was so "sure" I'd want my throttle tweaked that I did it right off the bat. After messing with the car for a while though, the OEM positions feel pretty darn good to me.
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Old 01-06-2006, 06:40 PM   #16
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There is an assembly out now that allows full adjustability for the 04/05 STi pedals.
If there is interest PM me and I will find it!
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Old 01-06-2006, 07:15 PM   #17
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Did you do anything to bring the brake pedal up so it wouldn't dip so low below the accelerator or did you just bend the arm slightly to the right?

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Other than StopTech brakes and steel braided brake lines, no. We had no issues.

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Old 01-06-2006, 07:42 PM   #18
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not sure how you folks heel and toe, but the way i do it, my foot slips off the brake when getting into the gas.
If you do it the old school way actually with Heel and Toe, yeah its good, but with the invention of power brakes you dont need that much force on the brake and i pivot the ball of my foot between the brake and gas and for that my foot is not wide enough for good control of both.
Am I missing something?
You learned this "heel-toe" technique in general, didn't you?

I *STRONGLY* recommend you do it the "old school", correct way. When I first got my WRX I was having trouble doing true heel-toe, so I tried doing it your way for a while -- bad idea. If you watch a lot of pro drivers you will see that none of them do it that way (at least none that I've seen). It's impossible to have good control with any pedal setup close to stock. It's a really horrible technique, IMO. I'd stop now before it becomes any more of a habit.

At first I could only do real heel-toe barefoot, then I moved to a really narrow, flexible shoe, and now I can do it with just about any shoe. Practice, practice, practice.
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Old 01-06-2006, 07:56 PM   #19
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they sell pedal covers with custom heel/toe extensions. hope this solves your heel/toe woes

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I always want to get this http://www.subaruparts.com/catalog/?section=362#1557 but I find it too expensive..

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not sure how you folks heel and toe, but the way i do it, my foot slips off the brake when getting into the gas.
If you do it the old school way actually with Heel and Toe, yeah its good, but with the invention of power brakes you dont need that much force on the brake and i pivot the ball of my foot between the brake and gas and for that my foot is not wide enough for good control of both.
Am I missing something?
That is improper and honestly very dangerous. Let your ankle get used to moving as it should...you'll be better off.
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I know a lot of people that do the pivot where you cover both pedals with the different sides of your foot (including NASA-Mid Atlantic chief instructor Dan Unkefer)...but if you can't get a secure grip on the brake pedal with the ball of your foot, you certainly need to try the ankle movement.

I had been doing the pivot, because my heel kept running into the transmission tunnel. However, I couldn't brake firm enough with the ball pivot method (my foot just wouldn't contort the right way?), so I've really tried to make it work the "old school" way. Eventually, you get it, and I like it a lot more.
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Old 01-14-2006, 06:18 PM   #23
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I've tried both and skippy barber didnt have a problem with the pivot method
my legs are long and my feet are big, i dont have enough space to rotate my foot.
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Heel Toe video from Road America, stock pedal location on STi. Slightly wet track using S03's, too wet for the shaved RA1's.

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