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Old 09-11-2001, 04:27 PM   #1
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I was reading a letter to SCC magazine, and they recommended not to lower the WRX. It needs the full suspension travel to work properly.

Why would this be the case?

I feel my WRX handles better with a small drop. Any opinions?
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Old 09-11-2001, 05:53 PM   #2
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The argument for that is that Subarus are designed with a long travel suspension that need the full travel to work properly. It is a "rallyesque" type suspension to absorb all bumps while handling corners. If you've ever driven hard on a mountain road with lots of off camber turns and bumps midturns you'll be able to appreciate the work that Subaru has done.

But, for most types of driving lowering the car will always garner "better" handling due to the lower center of gravity. As long as you don't go too overboard you'll be fine.
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Old 09-11-2001, 08:46 PM   #3
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on another scc issue, did you guy see the VW running 45psi of boost 900 HP
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hypa, did you used to run whiteline springs? how did you liked them?
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Old 09-11-2001, 09:36 PM   #5
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Yes, believe it or not chassis engineers actually design the car to run at the factory ride height. If some aspect of your driving is nonstandard (maybe you run only on smooth pavement, or you have modified the wheel/tire package, or you've altered the curb weight such as by never taking rear seat passengers), then you might need to alter the suspension to match. A lowered car might give you less overall grip but faster transient response (turn-in).

As I said, I really like the stock wrx suspension. It just needs lower profile tires (205/50R16 or 215/40R17) to make it work on the street. Perhaps a *tad* shorter spring would be good as well (but keeping the overall rate about the same).
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Yes, believe it or not chassis engineers actually design the car to run at the factory ride height. If some aspect of your driving is nonstandard (maybe you run only on smooth pavement, or you have modified the wheel/tire package, or you've altered the curb weight such as by never taking rear seat passengers), then you might need to alter the suspension to match. A lowered car might give you less overall grip but faster transient response (turn-in).

As I said, I really like the stock wrx suspension. It just needs lower profile tires (205/50R16 or 215/40R17) to make it work on the street. Perhaps a *tad* shorter spring would be good as well (but keeping the overall rate about the same).
agree....stock shocks are designed for stock springs....so if u plan to lower it for better cornering or lower gravity....u have to use short stroke shocks to work w/ the aftermarket springs....and from there on u will find out the RE92 even more sucks and u will need new tires and tower bar, sway bar etc to alter the change u have done up....

is $$$ but is lots of fun....hehe

i learnt this on my Civic thru my stock shocks w/ Kg/mm, TEIN NR height adjustable damper w/ springs and TEIN HR coilover now....

i would love to go one step up to Zeal B6 but think back do i need the 4th set of suspesion since i got my car? hehe....now is enough for street use....
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Old 09-12-2001, 06:19 PM   #7
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I am happy with the whiteline coils, and don @ pdm was great to deal with. I would recommend them, although I would still like to drive an H&R WRX to see the difference between the 2 manufacturers.
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heh, i already know that the RE's suck! those few sharp corners at the Datsun autox made sure that thought is burned into my brain already

anyways, i checked the spring rate that Avenger sent me, and it seems like the whiteline ones are quite close to stock, just shorter, which might not be such a bad thing.

i totally agree with Joe and everyone else that the stock suspension is awsome though. hmm, maybe i should try and scour some SP8000's from the audi crowd before i do the springs
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I read that same article in SCC and I totally disagree that lowering your car will "ruin" its handling!!

Any time you make a suspension change its important to keep in mind that you have parts that work together. Trying lowering springs with stock shocks will very likely provide poorer handling at the limit, but if you're running modified springs with modified shocks (read ==> modified valving too match the spring rate), you will easily out handle a stock car with the same wheel/tire combo.

With lowering springs, what you will "ruin" is comfort in comparison to stock. However, that doesn't mean the car will be unbareably uncomfortable to drive unless you go completely overboard with the spring rates.

If lowering your car truely "ruined" the handling, all BTCC/JTCC race cars would have 6" of ground clearance like the stock cars. Rally cars ==> lowering will ruin your handling as you will repeatedly pummell the bottom of your car into the ground.

My 2 cents.
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Old 09-13-2001, 12:29 PM   #10
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good point Markus,
I was just worried about the S2000 syndrome. For those who are not familiar, the rear suspension on the S2000 cannot be altered or the rear tires will begin to rake inwards causing the car to become extremely tail happy.

I lowered my WRX for looks and a bit more stable ride,with less body roll. For a total of $300 I got exactly what I wanted, and I'm pleased.
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