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Old 12-31-2005, 01:23 PM   #1
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Ive had my car since June and ive put 8k miles on it, but yesterday I noticed something kinda odd. My front tires (Still RE92) have almost no tread left, but my back tires look worn normally for 8000 miles. Im not a crazy driver but it did snow twice and I had a little fun but nothing that would shave my tires. My family thinks I go around and just spin my tires like some a hole eventhough I tell them thats kinda hard with an AWD Stock 2.5 RS . I dont know whats going on, maybe someone switched them when I went into get serviced? My dads making me buy new tires now and im Pissed!
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:26 PM   #2
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I would take it to a dealership and tell them whats going on. You may have an alignment issue. 8000 miles on tires is ridiculous. The tires should have their own warranty on them as well. It won't be covered under the Subaru Warranty. But the dealership should be able to help you out in getting this situation solved.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:31 PM   #3
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Dealership for sure. Your car has more power going to the rear wheels than the fronts, so that would logically mean your rear tires would crap out first if it were because of spinning, not always the case, but most often.

Are the tires wearing funny? Or is it just straight up tire wear?
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:34 PM   #4
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take high res pix of tread and post em here, probably can give you a better answer

we need to know if its shoulders, inside...etc

could be alignment, over or under inflation
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:34 PM   #5
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Definitely have the alignment looked at and check your tire pressures too. 8,000 miles is way too short for relatively normal driving. I have almost 36,000 on mine and they are still very legal. I'll admit they have mostly highway mileage, but you should still get at least 20k out of yours. Once you do get new tires be sure to rotate them every 7500 miles or so too. Also, when you say they have no tread, are they wearing more on the inside or outside of the tire or evenly?
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:40 PM   #6
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Driving style and a bad alignment might be it, mine looked to be about 50% or less on the front side walls.
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:02 PM   #7
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Dealership for sure. Your car has more power going to the rear wheels than the fronts, so that would logically mean your rear tires would crap out first if it were because of spinning, not always the case, but most often.

Are the tires wearing funny? Or is it just straight up tire wear?
What????
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:09 PM   #8
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Also, when it's dry, are you braking really hard?
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:13 PM   #9
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Dealership for sure. Your car has more power going to the rear wheels than the fronts, so that would logically mean your rear tires would crap out first if it were because of spinning, not always the case, but most often.

Are the tires wearing funny? Or is it just straight up tire wear?
On a RWD car, maybe, but not on his car. His car DOES NOT have more power going to the rear. In fact, he should wear his fronts out first. They do double duty, getting (at least half) of the torque (depends auto/manual) AND the steering duty.
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:23 PM   #10
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Snow is not going to wear down your tires, front or back. Think about it. Friction causes wear, and the whole reason why you can slide around on snow is because theres very little friction, therefor very little wear.

Sliding around on pavement will demolish your tires and so will hard driving. Since your fronts are worn more than your backs im going to assume you love to go fast around corners (or that theres something wrong with your alignment)

Im also going to go ahead and call BS on either the amount of miles these tires have, or the amount of treadwear (again, unless theres something wonky with your alignment)
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:23 PM   #11
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Hello everyone,

Ive had my car since June and ive put 8k miles on it, but yesterday I noticed something kinda odd. My front tires (Still RE92) have almost no tread left, but my back tires look worn normally for 8000 miles. Im not a crazy driver but it did snow twice and I had a little fun but nothing that would shave my tires. My family thinks I go around and just spin my tires like some a hole eventhough I tell them thats kinda hard with an AWD Stock 2.5 RS . I dont know whats going on, maybe someone switched them when I went into get serviced? My dads making me buy new tires now and im Pissed!
i dont think its from the snow, maybe alignment so tires wear quicker? i just assume its Awd and the tires should wear equally or am i just stupid right now?
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:55 PM   #12
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Wow people. There is so much misinformation in this thread.

It's normal for front tires to wear more than rears on our Subarus. Mine did on my RS and mine do on my STi. It's called steering. You've been driving hard and cornering hard. You'll probably deny this, but the fact that your tires have almost no tread left after 8000 miles make it pretty evident. I'd bet if you look closely the outer tread blocks are worn more than the inner blocks of the tires due to the lack of negative camber in the stock suspension geometry. Post a pic.

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i just assume its Awd and the tires should wear equally or am i just stupid right now?
I wouldn't call you stupid...just misinformed and making what seems like a logical assumption.
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Old 12-31-2005, 07:17 PM   #13
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Well if you slide on a thin layer of snow your tires will end up sliding on the pavement, causing a lot of wear. I know today I was drifting in about an inch of snow and when I stopped I could smell burning rubber.
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:21 PM   #14
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Well if you slide on a thin layer of snow your tires will end up sliding on the pavement, causing a lot of wear. I know today I was drifting in about an inch of snow and when I stopped I could smell burning rubber.
Sliding on snow = little to no traction --> very little tire wear.
Are you sure that wasn't the odor of burning clutch ?
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:23 PM   #15
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Sliding on snow = little to no traction --> very little tire wear.
Are you sure that wasn't the odor of burning clutch ?
Yea it was definatly rubber, there was only a tiny bit of snow, that I burned right through once the tires were spinning.
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Old 01-01-2006, 08:06 PM   #16
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8000 miles on a tire with a tread wear rating of 160 doesn't suprise me. I'm just glad my Forester didn't come with any It's not that hard to wear down a set of tires if you drive agressive. The REs are especially prone to fast wear due to their design. You'll find almost no tire tha wears faster or has a lower tread wear rating than those tires other than a track tire. Most tires, even cheapies, start at a rating double that.

As far as the fronts wearing first, that's normal. Like what was already said, they're doing triple duty. They have to steer, provide power to the ground, and do most of the braking work. Your car is also a little front heavy and make the front tires work harder to move that extra weight around a corner. They will wear faster. A fwd will wear the fronts a lot faster than the rear. A rwd would wear the rear first if you're remotely heavy on the throttle. An awd can be pretty even with wear, but the weight balance would have to be more even, have a more rear biased torque balance, or have more rear braking bias. Basically, the wear balance would have to be better.

Oh, the burning could be a few things. It can be rubber if you're doing a lot of spinning. Low friction doesn't necessarily mean no wear. You can't do much damage in snow, but on ice, you'll still have a roughness that can chew at the tires some, especially if you're moving 10mph with the speedo at 80mph, lol, think sand paper. Depending on your clutch work, you may run a bit of clutch slip switching between gears, or you may even be playing with the brakes a lot or running ABS a bit where you may get some brake smell.
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Old 01-01-2006, 11:42 PM   #17
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I'd be more worried about the clutch and the diffs when playing hard in the snow as opposed to the tires.

7 inches of untouched snow + empty lot = sooo much fun
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Old 01-02-2006, 12:57 AM   #18
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RE92's are a pile of ****. Also, if you are hard on your tires, you should rotate more often and make sure you have your tires properly inflated. I rotate my tires w/ oil change, basically every 3k.
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Old 01-02-2006, 03:08 PM   #19
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since we are on the topic of RE92, what is anyone's opinion of it in an environment of -40c winter? should I change a set of tires?
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since we are on the topic of RE92, what is anyone's opinion of it in an environment of -40c winter? should I change a set of tires?
-40 C? That's cold. Maybe too cold to produce snow in any accumulation so the RE 92 might be o.k. If there is snow on the ground most of the time I would go with a dedicated winter tire.
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Well if you slide on a thin layer of snow your tires will end up sliding on the pavement, causing a lot of wear. I know today I was drifting in about an inch of snow and when I stopped I could smell burning rubber.
The burning smell is your clutch/differntials. When traction is low, tires have limited grip which means as you drive aggressively your differentials / clutch are probably doing MUCH more work than normal - hence the smell.

8000 miles on RE92s is about what I'd expect with a bad alignment and agressive driving. Did you ever check your tire pressure?

Did any of you guys pass high school physics?

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Old 01-02-2006, 06:44 PM   #22
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Its def not from playing in the snow because your tires are not biteing on the pavement.
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Old 01-02-2006, 08:25 PM   #23
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the RE92's should last WAY more than 8k miles.

heck, i had them on my car for the first year and that included a few autox's...then the next year with a few autox's as well. I now use them as the in-between tires from my summers to winters.

Mine are in no means great shape...but they still have tread on them that would still pass the the Penny test with ease.

I'd look into an alignment.
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-40 C? That's cold. Maybe too cold to produce snow in any accumulation so the RE 92 might be o.k. If there is snow on the ground most of the time I would go with a dedicated winter tire.

The place I am going to has snow on the ground for the good 5 months. It doesn't snow much but the temp stays around that area and most of the roads are not plowed at all by snow plow but by daily drivers.
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Holy crap another person from my area. I work in Camp Hill.

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