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Old 01-01-2006, 06:03 PM   #1
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Has anyone gone Cobb stage 2 with their 2006? I think I remember a thread but couldn't find it searching.

Impressions? Are the 320+ torque numbers right!?

I'm considering going stage 2, but a part of me says go vf39 and sti tmic! But I don't want to do too heavy of modications. Needs to be pretty easily reverted back to stock when the time comes.
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:04 PM   #2
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Get Cobb's stage2, be happy.
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Old 01-01-2006, 07:42 PM   #3
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You'll love it...
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Old 01-01-2006, 08:37 PM   #4
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I am also thinking about the cobb stage 2 for my 06 TR! It sounds like a blast in the making!
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Old 01-01-2006, 08:45 PM   #5
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Two STi guys telling me just cobb 2 haha
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Old 01-01-2006, 08:50 PM   #6
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Hey whats up, I would def. recomend going to stg 2, cars pulls very hard, I have not gotten a dyno yet, but thinking of getting a protune soon. so far the only downfall I see is I can't seem to keep my foot off the throttle and I am going through gas alot faster these days.
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Old 01-01-2006, 09:27 PM   #7
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Yep, sounds like this is my first mod for sure, thanks!
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Old 01-01-2006, 09:42 PM   #8
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Hey whats up, I would def. recomend going to stg 2, cars pulls very hard, I have not gotten a dyno yet, but thinking of getting a protune soon. so far the only downfall I see is I can't seem to keep my foot off the throttle and I am going through gas alot faster these days.
Is it night and day over stock? What kind of 0-60 estimate?
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:08 PM   #9
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yeah you can def. tell a diff in the car from stock to stg 2, I am running a helix catless DP and greddy evo catback, not sure for 0-60 I got a blitz performance meter and it has a 0-50, so far I have gotten 4.3, but thats been all in the rain and cars keeps lossing traction in 1st and beginning of 2nd. stock I got an average of 5.0-5.2 on the 0-50 sprints. hope that helps
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Old 01-02-2006, 09:51 AM   #10
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The beauty of the Accessport is that if you later on go get a vf39 or some other turbo, or any other upgrade, you can get it custom tuned.

So I say go for stage 2 right now and when some evo rolls you up, go get protuned
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Old 01-02-2006, 11:26 AM   #11
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Has anyone gone Cobb stage 2 with their 2006? I think I remember a thread but couldn't find it searching.

Impressions? Are the 320+ torque numbers right!?

I'm considering going stage 2, but a part of me says go vf39 and sti tmic! But I don't want to do too heavy of modications. Needs to be pretty easily reverted back to stock when the time comes.
I've got a Cobb Stage 2 setup on mine. Cobb street TBE, Cobb catback, & (of course) Accessport. Running their standard Stage 2 93 octane map.

It is a BIG performance improvement. It feels way stronger, runs smoother than stock, and the turbo spools up even faster. Cobb claims 0-60 in something like 4.6, vs. 5.5 for a stock 06 WRX. I don't have a timeslip to prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is in the ballpark.

Be advised that the Cobb catback is quite a bit louder than stock. It doesn't sound like a ricer moron's fart-can, but has a very deep and aggressive sound.
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Old 01-02-2006, 12:05 PM   #12
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I have the Stage 2 Flash, but I would be looking to upgrade to the VF39 turbo....as they are dirt cheap and would really provide more enjoyment at the top end...

I am installing my nitrous setup today as we speak and am looking to upgrade to the VF39 until I can afford the GT30/GT35 setup....
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Old 01-02-2006, 01:48 PM   #13
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Let us know how that N20 setup goes!


sean10mm: It's hard to make a EJ series engine sound like rice unless you get equal-lenth headers.... even then it doesn't sound that bad. Heck, even if you put a dump pipe right off the turbo and the car will sound mean as hell.
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Old 01-02-2006, 06:43 PM   #14
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wrx owners who have had a stage 2 on their older models wrx's and now have an new 06 wrx with stage 2 , how much different is it power wise from the previous models. Im coming from an 03 wrx stage 2 13.4 QT so im kinda excited to see what the difference is, because as a previous owner of the previous 2.0 this car has more potential with the same setup. gimme some info
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Old 01-02-2006, 06:54 PM   #15
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wrx owners who have had a stage 2 on their older models wrx's and now have an new 06 wrx with stage 2 , how much different is it power wise from the previous models. Im coming from an 03 wrx stage 2 13.4 QT so im kinda excited to see what the difference is, because as a previous owner of the previous 2.0 this car has more potential with the same setup. gimme some info
You'll have the same HP (a better low end though). But low end isn't helping you when you're at 4.5-7k. Should be a dead heat. Same HP, more torque, taller gearing, more weight.

As far as power on teh stock turbo, you don't have more potential in the 2.5l. Hence, the identical HP of teh 2.0l and 2.5l. Maxed out turbo is the limiting factor. The car will be real world faster due to the low end, but, in the high end, there shouldn't be a difference...
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02 stage 2 vs a 06 being a dead heat?!?!?!

Dont believe that, the 06 owns imo. Of course I'm partial, and I'm just a post on the internet that should be read with a grain of salt.

Numbers dont lie,

You'll be getting the same 285 hp as from the 02's but more than a stock sti's torque. Does that answer your question?
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02 stage 2 vs a 06 being a dead heat?!?!?!

Dont believe that, the 06 owns imo.
How's that???

Same HP, 06 weighs more, 06 has taller gearing...

Low end torque doesn't mean a more lot in terms of max acceleration. If anything, it would be lucky to overcome the gearing/weight...

The 02-5 has a BETTER power/weight ratio!!!!
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How much heavier?

Havent heard that.

I think it would take about 200 pounds or more to over come what the 06 has more of on the dyno.
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02 stage 2 vs a 06 being a dead heat?!?!?!

Dont believe that, the 06 owns imo. Of course I'm partial, and I'm just a post on the internet that should be read with a grain of salt.

Numbers dont lie,

You'll be getting the same 285 hp as from the 02's but more than a stock sti's torque. Does that answer your question?
And why do you think torque is helping you running in the upper RPMS????

It doesn't

Not saying I wouldn't rather have an 06, or that is isn't outstanding..I'm just saying...

HP is basically the rate at which torque is applied. If both cars are laying down 225 whp, they are actually putting down the same amount of torque, as a function of time (which is what matters). Generally speaking, in ideal conditions, HP is what determines acceleration, not torque, especially the HP curve (which even on a 2.0l is pretty flat after 4k). Now sure, no one drives "ideally", so torque helps getting the car launched, or if you fall off the power curve, so the 06 will have an advantage. But again, its robably just enough to offset the gearing and weight.

As far as math is concerned though, HP deteremines acceleration, not torque. There are a lot of nice resources online that explain why that is. But basically, torque and power are the SAME THING, except HP takes into account TIME. Torque is useless if you can't get it to the gound. HP simply tells you how much, and how fast you can apply torque to the wheels. Identical HP = identical torque (as a function of time) gettign to teh ground.

In ideal conditions, a 200 HP car with 1 ft-lb of torque would accelerate the same as a 200 HP car with 200 ft-lbs or torque. (Granted their HP curves would have to be the same, which in the case of an 2.0 v. 2.5l, their upper end power curves are very close)

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I dont think, I know.

I think we are on very different pages here.

Will more torque get the car moving faster? I think so.

With roughly 40 extra foot pounds, and the same HP, I think you can get going down the track faster.

if it is a dead heat the 06 will get the ET, and the 02 willl get the trap speed. But we all know which one wins, right?

I still dont belive the two cars against eachother would be a huge difference (if your miss-interperating my use of the word own.) Maybe it's worth a vote on which is faster. I think the numbers speak for themselves.

BTW: Whats the weight difference again?
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I dont think, I know.

I think we are on very different pages here.

Will more torque get the car moving faster? I think so.

With roughly 40 extra foot pounds, and the same HP, I think you can get going down the track faster.

if it is a dead heat the 06 will get the ET, and the 02 willl get the trap speed. But we all know which one wins, right?

I still dont belive the two cars against eachother would be a huge difference (if your miss-interperating my use of the word own.) Maybe it's worth a vote on which is faster. I think the numbers speak for themselves.

BTW: Whats the weight difference again?
IIRC its about 100 -150 lbs.

Take a read...at low RPMs, sure torque matters, but in the high end, where 90% of teh race is, it doesn't. You can't argue with 9th grade physics....

http://www.yawpower.com/tqvshp.html
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I wish I could read it all asap.so basically you dont think the 06's extra torque can overcome the weight difference, where as I do.

EDIT: I think it's easy for anyone to forget how closely related torque and horsepower are.
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i have a stage 2 06 wrx....TQ numbers are true, but from a 35mph roll to 110 it barely pulls on a stage 2 05 WRX....my friends.

i think from a dead stop i could take him, but i havent got the balls to launch my car yet
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Hey whats up, I would def. recomend going to stg 2, cars pulls very hard, I have not gotten a dyno yet, but thinking of getting a protune soon. so far the only downfall I see is I can't seem to keep my foot off the throttle and I am going through gas alot faster these days.
I can't wait for my ECUTEK tune (just waiting for the cobb catted dp to come in before making the appt.). There is a tuner about an hour from me so that's why I chose ECUTEK over cobb but I figure the gains to be about the same. Your cobb stage 2 '06s must be monsters especially regarding torque.

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Lets just say you'll have to lower the car to feel safe. imo
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