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Old 09-12-2001, 05:34 PM   #1
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Old 09-15-2001, 09:10 PM   #2
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Just installed it last night. Some minor difficulties but basically no problem, and I am a complete newbie when it comes to working on cars. Instructions on scoobymods.com are easy to follow.

So far....not sure if I feel the claimed 7hp increase (my butt-dyno has not been well-tuned), but the sound is really cool. Can hear the turbo and the BOV so much better (haven't had the radio on since I put it in). The ITG fits perfectly, and design is simple and makes sense.

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Old 09-16-2001, 01:49 AM   #3
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I had a similar experience in putting it in as well. It was about an hour job (for a novice) to remove the resonator and put in the velocity stack. Like I mentioned in the other thread it fits very tight into the air box, and mine sits out about 1/2" into the fender well, I couldn't get it in there any further. I drove around a bit more tonight and in reality I'm not sure if I can tell much of a performance increase, with 4-7hp it might be hard to notice. Being able to hear the turbo and stock bov is great. I may do an ECU reset to see if that might help things as well.
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Old 09-17-2001, 05:06 PM   #4
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I'm extremely happy with the intake... Took a half hour to install and it's just what I wanted. Sounds great, feels good, and I don't have to worry about sucking water up the intake. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper than the other intakes out there.
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Old 09-24-2001, 12:40 PM   #5
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Can someone explain to me how this intake is any better than just hacking the resonator off the stock snorkel?
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Old 09-24-2001, 08:04 PM   #6
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don't reset your ecu. Let it learn your intake with the octane that you've been using. you'll be much better off that way.
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Old 09-26-2001, 06:30 PM   #7
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hacking the snorkel isn't physically proper. Our system seals off the intake air from the hot engine bay. By using the silocone recucer into the fenderwell it creates a tight seal. The velocity stack is way better then just a piece of pipe. It is much much easer for air to flow into a rounded area then the sharp walls of a straight pipe. That's why racing engines have used velocity stacks and airhorns forever. They don't spend tons of money on developing airhorns because they look pretty, they flow more air and less turbulent air, and in the case of the WRX MAF turbulent air = limp mode. The factory Subaru fenderwell plug finishes the job by pressurizing the fender cavity and sealing off the air again from the hot engine air.
That in a nutshell is why our kit is better then just cutting a piece of pipe and sticking it in the fender. Physics.
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Old 09-26-2001, 07:21 PM   #8
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Okey dokey Doctor Frank

I bet if somebody dyno'd this, that the hacked snorkel would have the same result as your velocity stack... Just MHO

But have you taken a look at the real bottleneck here?
The inlet at the top of the airbox over the air filter is like 2cm diameter, maybe less. It's tiny! I think this why a CAI like the Injen would have a bigger benefit though
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Old 09-27-2001, 11:42 AM   #9
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""I bet if somebody dyno'd this, that the hacked snorkel would have the same result as your velocity stack... Just MHO ""

yes that is your opinion but im sorry to say that what your are saying just isnt true. simply "Hacking"(yeah just what i want to do to my car) the snorkel wont give you the increse in power across the powerband, heres why:
1)the WRXfx intake utilizes a velocity stack(which is proven scientifically to flow more air less turbulently than from pulling from and edge)
2)the WRXfx intake utilizes a high flow ITG foam filter proven in independant studies to outflow and outfilter other K&Ntype filters like the on on the INJEN!
3)the hacking snorkel trick doesnt pressurize(ram air) the air box at speed!
4)the WRXfx intake simply enhances what was "right" from the factory at half the price of other intakes...

""But have you taken a look at the real bottleneck here?
The inlet at the top of the airbox over the air filter is like 2cm diameter, maybe less. It's tiny! I think this why a CAI like the Injen would have a bigger benefit though""

Bottleneck? not one of the cars tested in SCC had a tube/cone filter design and neither do the high power JUN and some other japanese WRX's...why? the factory airbox is actually a very good design and the WRXfx intake builds upon that, heres why:
1)it is made from a low heatsoak material(abs plastic) vs a heatsoak material(aluminum or steel)
2)the mass air meter housing in the airbox is the factory correct size for fuel trim and air fuel ratios to be calculated correctly.VERY IMPORTANT!
3)the mass air meter housing in the airbox features a small velocity stack
4)the WRXfx intake does not neccessitate the moving of the mass air sensor to a new boss---will your dealer warranty your car with an INJEN intake-if you have a fuel trim issue or if they suspect you have tampered w/ the sensor?
5)the WRXfx looks stock and utilizes subaru factory parts in the kit!
6)the WRXfx intake does not put the filter element down near the ground with a potential for HYDRO LOCK!if your car sucks in water through your injen intake is the dealer going to warranty it?
***i have the ability to machine just about anything for this car, it was an option for me to make a tubular cone intake for this car but after seriously looking at what I was dealing with, this turned out to be the best option in all aspects---price,dealer issues, safe power production etc....
hope this helps,
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Old 09-27-2001, 11:57 AM   #10
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the physics principle "Dr Frank" was speakin of is called laminar flow-eg. velocity stacks are used by nasa/aerospace/F1-Indy cars and on production high HP cars like the new BMW M3-the simple fact is physics properties can be used to enhance any car...
heres a new post enforcing what i was saying about potential warranty problems with other intake designs...

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...threadid=95879

sorry if i seem so diligent but, This intake was thoroughly though out and tested prior to its release!
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Old 09-27-2001, 01:04 PM   #11
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Gee I wonder what happens to all that "laminar" flow once it hits the panel filter. Speaking of which the high-flow filter is probably where the biggest gain lies for either your mod or the hacked snorkel. And why is hacking the snorkel so undesireable compared to spending $100+ on your mod? Is it because it's free and you don't get to put the TCG sticker on the airbox?

Aside from the choice of filter, the location of the intake to a point of lower temperature & higher pressure is probably the single biggest consideration, and your mod isn't changing either temp or pressure compared to the snorkel hack.

I would just like to see a dyno comparison showing the TINY power gain BOTH mods might have on the EJ20T. But at least the hack is free

Anyway, I'm still a customer just not for this product.
When are you going to send the vent mount dammit?
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Old 09-27-2001, 08:36 PM   #12
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The vent pods are out and ready for delivery!

now about the intake!

""Gee I wonder what happens to all that "laminar" flow once it hits the panel filter. Speaking of which the high-flow filter is probably where the biggest gain lies for either your mod or the hacked snorkel.""

If you take a look at the dyno results this mod makes more power (7hp-13lb/ft peaks-with an avg of 4-5hp and 10lb/ft through the entire power band)yes i agree that the filter is of utmost importance for peak power levels,but the design of the kit is what makes the power more throughout!the velocity stack provides an intake area 2.5 times the size of the actual hole into the airbox-the stack design is optimum for an intake(good laminar flow in all conditions--remember laminar flow is important on both sides of the filter-on the mass air side there is another smaller velocity stack)-that is why the low end power with this kit(TORQUE) is higher the turbo doesnt have to suck as hard to pull air into the box, before the car gets to speed and starts pressurizing the airbox...also the way the velocity stack enters the airbox creates an effect similar to an anti reversion chamber(the air has an easy way in but a harder way back out)

""And why is hacking the snorkel so undesireable compared to spending $100+ on your mod? Is it because it's free and you don't get to put the TCG sticker on the airbox?""

hacking the snorkel is not bad, it provides results over the base system...but if you ever want to go back to stock for any reason (sale/warranty service)that resonance chamber will cost you close to the cost of the WRXfx intake...

""Aside from the choice of filter, the location of the intake to a point of lower temperature & higher pressure is probably the single biggest consideration, and your mod isn't changing either temp or pressure compared to the snorkel hack. ""

WRONG--- the WRXfx intake removes the factory inlet tube and resonance chamber and totally seals off the fenderwell to the airbox creating a ram air effect at speed(PRESSURE INCEASE AT SPEED-the air has no where to go but into the airbox-not out the inlet duct like in the snorkel hack)-the factory inlet tube is directly over the radiator, the WRXfx intake removes the inlet tube, seals the hole with a factory subaru plug and draws in its air from the sealed fenderwell(LOWER HEAT)

""I would just like to see a dyno comparison showing the TINY power gain BOTH mods might have on the EJ20T. But at least the hack is free.""

Bottom line is the WRXfx intake works as it was designed for-there have been no unhappy customers with this kit, it does provide the power gains that were displayed on the dyno-thats what people are paying for, and others are paying twice as much on untested parts, coming form much bigger companies than mine, where is their testing or results?

if you'd like to talk more about this or how and why i designed the kit this way email me privately and we can talk at length about it on my dime...thanks and sorry for the rant-mark
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Old 09-28-2001, 06:48 PM   #13
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Ok. OK. When is the next batch ready??
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Old 10-08-2001, 04:00 PM   #14
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I kinda think that $130 is a bit pricey for what you get, BUT this is exactly what I wanted. It's a clean setup, keeps the stock box and sensor, and has the ITG filter. I wanted to make sure no CE lights would get tripped, but still wanted a performance gain. Oh, and I didn't feel like having the filter sitting in the fender being swamped with the outside elements. Performance-wise, can't tell too much of a difference (by no means am I even close to an expert at this, plus the ITG filter isn't in there yet) except that spoolup of the turbo seems a bit quicker and, of course, being able to clearly hear that spoolup is sweet!

Having said that...I'm very happy with this setup. No CE light problems, no problems with water in the filter box, the setup was simple and left the engine compartment still looking stock, and now there's the cool sound from the right-hand side of the car.
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Old 01-19-2002, 06:32 PM   #15
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I have been thinking about this mod for a few weeks. Watching the posts on the group buy, people seem to be happy and it looks good. I’m struggling with one concept….

The WRX has one small air inlet under, and one next to the fog light. With this mod, those holes are the sole source of air for the “Ram Air Effect”. If you take a look at the front of the WRX the slit next to the fog light is about 4.5 inches long and .5 inch wide. That creates an open area of about 2.5 inches opening for air to travel in. The inlet below the fog light is about 5 inch long and 1 inch wide, for about 5 square inches of opening for airflow. (I’m not 100% sure the bottom slit flows air into the same place as the side slit.) But for the sake of this argument, lets say they both provide air for the intake to use. So you have a total of 7.5 inches of opening to provide the engine with “Ram Air”.

Now contrast that with the stock air intake on the front of the WRX. It is about 14 inches across and 1 inch high. (With the exception of a bump in it for a bolt) In any event, that is about 14 inches of area for air to inter the engine, and it is direct “Ram Air” from the great out doors.

Assuming that my measurements about are directionally correct, would it make sense to keep the intake on the front of the car, and use the additional 14 inches plus the 7.5 for a total of 21.5 inches of opening for “Ram Air” than just 7.5 inches of opening? I would expect that one could find a way to remove the resonator and seal the current front of car intake to the finder wall so there would be no hot air coming in from the engine.

Does that make sense to anyone but me?

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Old 01-20-2002, 03:28 AM   #16
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I installed the MRT intake yesterday and drove for a day on it. Today I installed the WRXfx intake. The soind is almost identical. I do prefer the look of the MRT 'cause of the clean look...it does declutter the engine bay quite a bit. BUT...as for performance, I think they are very close. As abonus, some bonehead i an RSX wanted to show me whats up at a light tonight. I let up in third so he could catch up! Thanks TCG! 'It didn't hurt!'
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I installed the WRXfx kit last weekend. I think it spool up
faster in 1st and 2nd gear. But I feel that the surge forward
feeling in 3rd gear is gone. The car is not as fast as it was in 3rd.
Am I feeling it right, or is it the broader torque range make
the torque spike disappear, so I have the illusion of the car
going slower?

Anyone else experience this?

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Old 01-29-2002, 01:25 PM   #18
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I emailed mark the question that someone posted here,
here is his reply. All I can say is that the intake kit is great, and
Mark is very professional with excellent customer service.

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The WRX has one small air inlet under, and one next to
the fog light. With this mod, those holes are the sole
source of air for the “Ram Air Effect”.


For an additional ram air effect you can remove the passenger side foglight to race!

If you take a


look at the front of the WRX the slit next to the fog
light is about 4.5 inches long and .5 inch wide. That
creates an open area of about 2.5 inches opening for
air to travel in. The inlet below the fog light is
about 5 inch long and 1 inch wide, for about 5 square
inches of opening for airflow. (I’m not 100% sure the
bottom slit flows air into the same place as the side
slit.) But for the sake of this argument, lets say
they both provide air for the intake to use.

**they both flow into the fenderwell**

So you
have a total of 7.5 inches of opening to provide the
engine with “Ram Air”.


**ram air as well as a large supply of ambient air already in the fenderwell...



Now contrast that with the stock air intake on the
front of the WRX. It is about 14 inches across and 1
inch high. (With the exception of a bump in it for a
bolt) In any event, that is about 14 inches of area
for air to inter the engine, and it is direct “Ram
Air” from the great out doors.
*** the factory air duct is not in a direct line of pressurized air***
Assuming that my measurements about are directionally
correct, would it make sense to keep the intake on the
front of the car, and use the additional 14 inches
plus the 7.5 for a total of 21.5 inches of opening for
“Ram Air” than just 7.5 inches of opening?

***Do not do this! air will flow to the area of least resistance, removing this duct gives the air only one place to go and thats the airbox***


*** what you are forgetting when you speak of the inlet size of the ducts in the front fender is that you already have a large mass of ambient air at your disposal at anytime in the fenderwell, this amount of air is more than enough for the car to ingest at low speeds and once you go wide open throttle the air is being forced into the fenderwell by speed(ram air) alot of air gets into those ducts at speed, I have tested various different configurations and this works the best at all RPM and speed points...the Dyno results show that there is no lack of air at your disposal when the kit is used and installed correctly...now i agree that even more frontal openings ie: removed foglight or modified headlight ducting(morrete headlights w the duct) will work even better, BUT make sure these ducts have a direct and high pressure source for airflow....


Also, does this require frequent cleaning of the
air filter? I see some ppl complain about all the
extra dirt going into the filter. How often should
I clean the ITG filter?



the ITG filter requires little maintenance, especially in this kit, what you can do is at every oil change or 5k miles just visually inspect the filter and brush off any loose dirt trapped in it...at 25k or so you can give it a mild soapy water bath and reinstall!



the car being less surgy is a direct result of the widened torque/power band, you can also see on the dyno charts w the intake installed the drop in power at 5500 is gone with the intake...believe me the intake makes more power in all gears and you may be confusing smoother/wider/increased power delivery for a lack of feel in the A$$ dyno! If your ever in NJ ill take you for a ride in my 500hp S4 it doesnt even feel like it has turbos-feels like a Big Block!
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Have had the intake on for about two weeks now. Definitely smother power band, better spoolup and sound from 2-3k rpms. Looks good, and no ce issues. Mark's customer service has been top-notch as well.

On a side note, this is a car parts review forum. This is not the place to bash a product unless you've had bad experiences with it. Just my opinion.

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Installed my velocity stack today....Awesome! Sound is fantastic, even the wife likes it. My a$$ dyno does feel a better pull all the way through 3rd gear (no chance to run out 4th yet). Completely, 110% satisfied!!
However, one quick question: My kit came with 2 little black plugs(?) No mention in the directions where they go/if they are necessary. Any info?
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The WRXfx Intake isn't what I expected. But then again, I am a new comer when it comes to tuning a Subaru. ^^;

I don't get the chance to push my car all that often since I usually 1) have passengers in my car, or 2) sitting in traffic going to work. But after installing the intake, I can feel less of a need to double clutch and downshift to 1st gear, as the car has a bit more "urge" to creep forward when a gear is engaged.

My favorite point about the WRXfx intake is the fact that I don't have to get under the car to clean the air filter, as I'd have to with many other aftermarket CAI. Many people questioned the justification of the price but after looking at Subaru Factory engine plug (seals the engine bay from the fender after removal of silencer to prevent hot air from interferring with the velocity stack), I figure that plug itself probably costs $40- since it's from the dealer.

There's not much to look at on the visual end. So I wouldn't recommend the kit for someone who wants to build a show car with some colored aluminum piping under the hood.

No question about it, this is a good intake. It's relatively quiet, and no smog check shop will hassle you for having one.

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FYI... the subaru fender plug is only 3-4 bucks..
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Thanks for the info.
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I'm SOLD.

Where do I get one?

What's the part number for the fender blank-off thing?
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Hey Sparks,

You may find info on ordering one at the following thread, if you haven't searched for it already:

http://i-club.com/forums/showthread....hreadid=100579

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