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Old 06-23-2000, 10:12 AM   #1
Rod House
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Post AWD/5sp: Binding drivetrain on turns/Viscous Couplingproblems/Tranny replacements.

If you’re a AWD/5speed owner and your car makes clunky noises or feels like the brakes just came on when you make tight turns; or if you had your transmission replaced due to any problem like the above.... Please e-mail me. I am starting a group of owners with this problem in the hope that we can collectively get an explanation from Subaru of America and possibly some help. I suspect that there are quite a few of us out here. If your car is still under warranty and you suspect this problem, you would be wise to take it in to the dealer BEFORE your warranty ends... The problem seems to most frequently come about 20k after the warranty expires.

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Old 06-23-2000, 11:05 AM   #2
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Rod,

Do you know what model year is affected?

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Old 06-23-2000, 11:20 AM   #3
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Mine is a 96 Legacy, I know of a 95 and a 98. It would effect any Subaru with the AWD designation that is a standard. Automatics have a similar, but compretely different problem.

Do you have, or know of somebody who has, the problem?

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Old 06-23-2000, 11:51 AM   #4
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Sorry, I personally do not know of anyone with this problem. Perhaps other members on this board may know of someone. The only transmission related problem I experienced was the slipping out of 5th gear during cruising, which was promptly fixed by my dealer.

I have a 2K Legacy, and I was just wondering if I need to be on the lookout for this problem.

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Old 06-23-2000, 03:27 PM   #5
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My wife's 96 Outback is an automatic, so that doesn't count towards what you're looking for. But her car has the binding in low speed, tight cornering situations. Sometimes it bucks and clunks pretty bad. I plan on getting it into the dealer pretty soon, because the 60 month drivetrain warranty expires in October. It only has 36,000 miles on it.

My 98 Legacy GT 5 speed has not exhibited any of these symptoms. 23,000 miles on it.

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Old 06-23-2000, 03:50 PM   #6
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To Bob & Rich (re: your 98)I'd just be aware of the potential and watch for it really carefully before the warranty expires. AS to Rich's wife's 96 Auto: There is a tech service bullitin out on that one. It is #16-62-97, and I'd get that one inquick before the time is up!

Good luck and let me know if you run across any of the one's I'm looking for.

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Old 06-24-2000, 06:45 AM   #7
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My '92 Turbo will bind up when I back out of my garage with the stering wheel at full crank, but thats the only time I have any troubles.
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Old 06-24-2000, 07:33 AM   #8
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Hey Rod, thanks for the service bulletin info. That will be good to have when I take her car in.

Do you know if it involves doing any work to the diffs or tranny? I was about the change all her drivetrain fluids to Amsoil Synthetics, but if they're going to have to work on those components, I don't want to waste my time or money. I'll just change the fluids after they fix it.

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Old 06-25-2000, 07:38 AM   #9
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Rich,
The 1st step in the bulletin is to check the fluid and change if "burnt or contaminated"... If it is, "(change fluid and) road test and verify if the symptom has been corrected."
If they do the procedure that follows it involves removing the "extension case" or checking the "transfer clutch pressure test" and repair or replace the transfer clutch.

I just noticed in reading this that they differentiate between the binding up when ACCELLERATING or when DECELLERATING!

Whe don't you e-mail my your snail mail address and I'll send you a copy of what I have.

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Old 06-26-2000, 09:31 PM   #10
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Hey Rod, I sent you a PM instead of an e-mail. Hope that's okay. You can also get any information you want at www.lubedealer.com/tulsa -that's got adress and phone numbers and everything.

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Old 06-29-2000, 08:30 AM   #11
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OK, I give up.. Whatsa "PM" ??? Whatever it is, I ain't got one yet (that I know of!)
Checked out your site, but there is no Zip code.
Will send the TSB when I find that PM lying anround here somewhere, or you let me know the zip.
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Old 06-30-2000, 12:34 AM   #12
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PM is personal message. I've never used one on here before. I think you can access it from the main Bulletin Board menu.

Sorry about the lack of zip code. I've never noticed that before.

Zip is 74137. Thanks-Rich
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Old 07-22-2000, 10:41 AM   #13
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Just for an update- I took the car in, and they said it was 'normal'. Moron. Long story short, I had the tranny flushed and refilled with Amsoil Synthetic ATF, I replaced the front and rear diff fluid with Amsoil Series 2000 75W-90 gear lube, and I checked/rotated the tires.

Now, on the tires, what I found was LF and RR had a circumference of 83 1/4 inches, while the LR and RF had 83 inch circumference. So I just swapped right side tires so that the 83 1/4 in. are up front, and the 83's are in the back.

That seems to have solved the problem. I took the car back this week when the Subaru Service Rep was in town. I didn't have him drive it because it's not doing it anymore, but I did have it recorded that I'm concerned about damage to the transfer case before the warranty is expired. I also told him about the lame service department. He didn't specifically say this, but he pointed out the other service guy there and said he knows his stuff and cares about the customer, so I think that means I should only deal with him whenever I'm in there. At least it's documented. Hopefully I won't have to go back.

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Old 07-22-2000, 10:50 AM   #14
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Rod sent me the TSB a ways back for the autotranny version (thanks again Rod!) and I have them scanned and posted at the following URLs:
http://www.randomsoup.com/subieimage...sb-1-small.jpg
http://www.randomsoup.com/subieimage...sb-2-small.jpg
http://www.randomsoup.com/subieimage...sb-3-small.jpg

For anyone interested.

-Russ
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