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Old 06-29-2000, 08:23 PM   #1
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Post How smoothly does your car start up?

From day one of ownership, my car has always taken a few "turn-overs" to start up. I only have to turn the key once, so I don't mean I have to crank it a number of times. I just mean that I have to hold the key in the START position for usually 5sec or so (rough estimate) before the engine will start. If the engine's warm (ie I just ran into a store for a couple minutes, come right back out and start the car) it will start up a bit quicker, but it still isn't an instantaneous start up. It doesn't seem to matter what the weather is, so it's not a cold start problem.

I've tried going to the RUN position for a second or two before going to START - you can hear the fuel pump kick on for a second to "prime" the system, so I thought that might help. Nope.

It's not a huge deal, really, I'm just curious. My extensively modified, 92k mile Mustang 5.0L still starts right up as soon as I twist the key. I also drove my father's new 2000 Outback wagon the other day and it started right up as soon as I went to START. It just kinda gives an impression of poor quality when the engine has to crank over a number of times before it actually starts, and I'm curious if there's something wrong if they're all like that.

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Old 06-29-2000, 09:29 PM   #2
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Every once in a while mine won't start either. I know its not gas. My fuel pressure guage never drops. I think it has somethimg to do with spark (well obviously). I put an msd dis 2 on and it still happens so it is getting enough juice. So there is two possibilities gone...
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Old 06-29-2000, 10:03 PM   #3
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I haven't noticed it in mine. I'm usually trying to get the kids settled in when I'm starting the car. I'll try to pay closer attention.

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Old 06-30-2000, 06:49 AM   #4
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My 97 GT takes 2 to 3 secs worth of cranking before it fires up.

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Old 06-30-2000, 02:48 PM   #5
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So does my 2000 GT, and so have all the Legacies I've started at dealers. I think it is 'normal', but I don't particularly like it.
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Old 06-30-2000, 03:36 PM   #6
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Yeah Patrick,

My Leg has been getting slightly slower and slower. When i1st got it, it took like 2 cranks to start up. 5max when it was near zero out.

Now it's takine like 3-4 cranks while warm outside.

Though I can say when the engine is still warm, it'll crank up w/i 1-2 cranks....

still......

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Old 07-01-2000, 10:24 AM   #7
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Well, one the one hand it's *good* to know there's not something wrong with my car. Of course, in this case, it *sucks* to know that there's not something wrong with my car. My car will be at the dealer on Monday to get the Y-pipe replaced, so while I'm there I may ask about the starting thing, maybe try a couple cars in the lot too.

Having read the posts, I'd say my initial comment of 5sec of cranking was probably an exaggeration - it just seems that long because I don't like it I guess. Realistically I think it's about what Felix and Chris said, 2-3sec or about 4-5 cranks before it starts. Ah well, what can ya do?

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Old 07-03-2000, 12:30 AM   #8
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well about a month ago..my car wouldn't start..at first i thought it was the battery but my car was new...so i couldn't start..so i called the toll truck to jump start it won't start..so at least i asked to toll it down to the teller..they found out the ignition switch was broken i don't know why...but yeah..that's why my car won't start....does anyway think that's why? i mean some ppl are having this problem?

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Old 07-03-2000, 06:43 PM   #9
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Hey Pat,

I just thought of something else, could it be that dirty injectors might have something to do with slow starting? My car just hit 20K and my dealer wanted to pressure clean my injectors plus change the fuel filter. I think i'm gonna go buy a bottle of that "Techron" stuff and put it in and see if that helps with the slow starting in the morning....

BTW, I know K&N makes a fuel filter, anyone know the size of the fitting for our OEM fuel filters? Or how about any experience or thoughts about the K&N vs. OEM fuel filter?
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Old 07-04-2000, 09:16 AM   #10
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Chris, I replaced the fuel filter a couple months ago with a Deutsch replacement. The fuel filter doesn't actually have fittings, it just has hoses with hose clamps. The filter mounts vertically on the driver's side strut tower. Because it is vertical, both the inlet and outlet hose are on the top of the filter (unlike most filters I've seen), so I don't know if the K&N would work (I've never seen the K&N, so I'm talking out my arse right now ). At the very least you'd probably need to reposition some fuel lines, and the rubber lines didn't have a whole lot of slack - you might need to replace them with longer lines.

I haven't used a fuel injector cleaner in a while, so that might not be a bad idea. Although, as I said, this has been a "problem" basically from day one as far as I can remember. I have used fuel injector cleaners a couple times in the past, but I don't think I paid any attention to the "slow start" phenomenum when I used it.

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Old 07-04-2000, 09:26 AM   #11
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Hey Pat-
Yeah, mine also routinely takes 4-5 turns before it fires. I guess that's only 1.5 or 2 seconds, but it is definitely there. I guess I've been driving Subarus too long. I had gotten to where I didn't even notice. Oh well, back to not noticing!

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Old 07-06-2000, 08:16 AM   #12
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Sounds like the newer Legacies have a problem . . . my '93 has fired up on the first crank in no more than 1 sec. since I've owned it - more than 6 yrs and 130,000 miles. My '92 SVX starts about the same. (Don't tell the Car Gods)
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Old 07-06-2000, 01:26 PM   #13
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Maybe it's time to change the plugs?
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Old 07-06-2000, 02:15 PM   #14
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No, plugs are new (about a month old maybe) Bosch Platinums. Gap was checked SAT before install.

I put in some fuel system cleaner today, we'll see if that makes a difference as this tank of gas goes through the system.

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Old 07-06-2000, 02:30 PM   #15
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My 98 legacy would take 4~5 cranks to fire up, however MY00 Legacy fires up on the very 1st crank.

I could never figure out why......
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Old 05-02-2006, 04:31 PM   #16
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anyone figure out what causes this?
My 95 legacy used to take 1-2 cranks to start, lately - it's taking about 3-4 cranks...

Maybe my plugs need to be changed??
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Old 05-02-2006, 05:52 PM   #17
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my 99LOBwagon takes 2-3 crankes to start, they bashes the header on something, makes a sweet "holy crap my cars gonna break somethign off" sound. My GF's 2002 wrx wagon starts right up.. never really thought much about it till this thread.
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Old 05-02-2006, 05:59 PM   #18
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No, plugs are new (about a month old maybe) Bosch Platinums. Gap was checked SAT before install.

I put in some fuel system cleaner today, we'll see if that makes a difference as this tank of gas goes through the system.

Pat

bosch platinums?? take that garbage off your subaru. thats probably the worst plug you can put in it. please put some NGK coppper or iridium (depending how deep your wallet is, performance is similar, but iridium lasts longer) of the right heat range as specified in your manual.

subaru's and bosch platinum dont mix.
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I love my V-powers.. and they were cheap 1.50 a plug... i had some crappy autolight plats in there.. and i dumped those when i redid my HG's
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Old 05-02-2006, 06:15 PM   #20
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bosch platinums?? take that garbage off your subaru. thats probably the worst plug you can put in it. please put some NGK coppper or iridium (depending how deep your wallet is, performance is similar, but iridium lasts longer) of the right heat range as specified in your manual.

subaru's and bosch platinum dont mix.
You do realize that this is a six year old thread right? I don't even think Pat has that car anymore.
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Old 05-02-2006, 06:20 PM   #21
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haha holy crap.. i didtn even look at the dates.. wow. that must be some kinda record...
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Old 05-02-2006, 06:33 PM   #22
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old post. But I'll contribute.

The subie has 178,000 miles on it, take 2-3 cranks every darn time, since it was new. Unless the car is warm, then it starts up instantly, almost.

As far as measuring time vs. other cars, I don't think that's accurate, as some other cars (like our civic and odyssey) crank much faster (and it takes just as many cranks, from my reckoning) than my Subaru.

the only time it will take more times to crank is when it's in the negative outside, and the block is cold.
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ooops, thought this was a recent thread, oh well
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My car turns over instantly. Actually quicker than any other car I've owned.
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Old 05-02-2006, 07:21 PM   #25
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Mine generally starts in under 1 second. Longest it's been with everything functioning normally has been ~1.5 seconds.

My only issue is that there seems to be a dead spot on my starter. Sometimes I'll try to crank it and it will not crank. I just get out and give it a few good whacks with a big screwdriver handle and it starts right up.
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