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Old 01-09-2006, 07:04 PM   #1
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Default Preparing for racing / time attack

I need some help with a few things to start getting my car ready for more competitive racing.

I'm looking into setting up a Fuel Cell and some lexan windows. I'm not sure where to start looking, and searching didn't really help me that much. I am going to try and give Irish Mike a call to get some suggestions from him about what to do, but I figured I'd ask around on here as well.

What are some of the main rules for the Fuel Cell? I've seen the rules for SM and autocross, but I plan to compete in some of the unlimited classes for racing, so I figured its an "anything goes" sort of thing as long as its safe.

Also, I don't think anyone makes any precut lexan windows for WRX's, or at least I haven't seen any....any ideas?


Thanks in advance, and I appreciate any help you guys can give me.
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Old 01-13-2006, 09:03 PM   #2
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Old 01-13-2006, 09:18 PM   #3
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www.atlfuelcells.com
www.gelexan.com

That should be a good start.
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Old 01-13-2006, 09:44 PM   #4
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Fuel Safe makes a great cell as well, and TAP Plastics can supply your lexan needs as well.

Also try www.hrpworld.com for your track prep stuff like this--they really know their stuff, and have been around forever. They lighten my wallet every year... ;-)
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:04 PM   #5
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hehe ok, thanks guys i'll have a look around those, and post back here what i find for future knowledge
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:36 PM   #6
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http://www.gotoracing.com/

they had a wrx for a while, I'm not sure what they have now (i think its a legacy) but either way they should know where to get some stuff if you cant find it.
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:58 PM   #7
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Don't do anything until you decide what class you're racing in, and have read the rulebook and spoken to current competitors. Saying you're going to compete in the "unlimited classes" makes you look like a newb or someone really into offshore boating. This is not the correct forum for offshore boating.

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Old 01-18-2006, 11:15 AM   #8
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whats offshore boating?

i'm not trying to look like a newb, because I have been around the block. I've been autocrossing for about 5 years now, but only have been to one track event. The reason I said unlimited class is because I didn't really want to put a restriction on my mods. I figured I would be competing in ITE if I did club racing. The super street time attack has an "Unlimited AWD" class, so thats more or less what I was basing it on.

Other than that, I'd like to get out there and get more experience with the car, but build it correctly and safely. The car is also used as a promotional vehical at many shows for my company.
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Old 01-18-2006, 11:37 AM   #9
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Well, ITE basically follows T2 rules, and most of the cars that run there are older or uncompetitive T2 cars. The ICY cars would provide a good basis for the type of modifications which have proven useful in T2.

ATL make a custom fuel cell which fits in the trunk of an 02-on Impreza. For track racing, I'd also get some proper springs and dampers, and obviously a cage built by a reputable builder, well beyond the minimum spec called for in the rules. Remove all carpeting and the rear seat and construct a bulkhead between the trunk and cockpit. And get the proper safety equipment, obviously - seats, harnesses, etc.

Leave the motor/transmission/diffs stock for now. Lexan windows provide no benefit.

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Old 01-18-2006, 11:58 AM   #10
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well i guess i should have posted the info about my car first...lol



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Old 01-18-2006, 12:00 PM   #11
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when i get the car back from precision tuning, i'll be having a widebody done on it, removing the fogs for the carbon air inlets, and stripping the interior more, and adding a few more custom aero parts...
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:23 PM   #12
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Hey... Can I see a pic of your LoTec Triple 60mm A-Pillar pod installed?

Was the install difficult? I have been reading that 60mm is too big for the pillar, and 52mm is more appropriate.
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:25 PM   #13
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only one i have - a pic from last year:

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Old 01-18-2006, 12:53 PM   #14
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Am I the only one who's irritated by the term "Time Attack"?

I remember when they used to be "time trials" until some Japanese tv show started throwing the words ATTACK! TOGUE! GYMKHANA! HACHIROKU! all over the screen.

Why not "Time Bonsai"? Why "Attack"?

Just curious.


I'm waiting for the day (probably soon) when the SCCA renames Solo2 as "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)".
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:28 PM   #15
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Am I the only one who's irritated by the term "Time Attack"?
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.....not irritated, but wondering what race prep and was needed for bicycle pedals.....

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Old 01-18-2006, 01:35 PM   #16
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Why are most of the logos backwards on your car? Is that like the urban practice of wearing your hat backwards (or sideways)?
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:41 PM   #17
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Why are most of the logos backwards on your car? Is that like the urban practice of wearing your hat backwards (or sideways)?
some of my friends got mad at me and turned them all around overnight once.
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:44 PM   #18
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Am I the only one who's irritated by the term "Time Attack"?

I remember when they used to be "time trials" until some Japanese tv show started throwing the words ATTACK! TOGUE! GYMKHANA! HACHIROKU! all over the screen.

Why not "Time Bonsai"? Why "Attack"?

Just curious.


I'm waiting for the day (probably soon) when the SCCA renames Solo2 as "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)".

yeah i hear ya. I'm just going with the flow. Time trials is cool. If they change solo2 to "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)." I'm getting that put on my car. lol.
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:48 PM   #19
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Why are most of the logos backwards on your car? Is that like the urban practice of wearing your hat backwards (or sideways)?
very much like the internet practice of flaming everyone who does something different and implying they're some know-nothing ricer. I thought Nasioc was better than that.

His car is very well thought-out and meticulously set up. The graphics are there because it also doubles as a rolling showcase for his company.

I should know. Some of my blood, skin and sweat is probably still underneath it from helping him put it all together.
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well i guess i should have posted the info about my car first...lol
Yeah, ok. Well that clears it up. That car appears totally unsuitable for any proper competition at all. What was the point of this thread, again?

Oh yeah, race cars. Buy a fully-prepped ITB Rabbit.

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Old 01-18-2006, 04:23 PM   #21
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why is it unsuitable?
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I was curious and found this example of the type of event under discussion: http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/index-2.html

The rules are very basic and pretty much anything can run. No cage or even a rollbar is required. It is competition, in the same way that autocross is competition, for anyone from noobs to experts. This is just much more dangerous!
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Old 01-18-2006, 05:23 PM   #23
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why is it unsuitable?
I wouldn't say it's unsuitable. But you will need to revamp almost everything if you want it to be competitve on the track.

The current intent of the car seems more dedicated towards looks than actuall performance. And just because you have a big honkin turbo and some coilovers doesn't mean otherwise.
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Old 01-18-2006, 05:56 PM   #24
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The current intent of the car seems more dedicated towards looks than actuall performance. And just because you have a big honkin turbo and some coilovers doesn't mean otherwise.
Most of my parts weren't picked with looks in mind. The car is dedicated towards performance more than anything. Just because I decided to put some aero pieces and nice wheels on there, doesn't mean I dedicated it towards looks.

The car is being built for HPDE's and time trials for now, with eventual competition in the future.
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What RF and I are saying is there is a significant difference between picking parts for street performance and building a race car. You have a street car with a lot of mods. That's the worst possible starting point for a proper race car. When you build a production-based race car, you start with a stock car and the rule book. As the car stands now, you'll have to remove a huge number of your of mods and re-install stock parts in order for the car to be legal in any roadracing class. What you need in T2 roadracing is a good cage, racing brake pads and fluid, good suspension, and lots of wheels and tires.

Point being, for the price it'll cost you to make that a real race car, you're better off buying a prepped ITB Rabbit, an old truck to tow with, and a trailer. If you just want to do track days or what not, then this is all moot and you can do whatever you want.

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