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Old 01-09-2006, 10:32 PM   #1
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I need a yes or no answer. Do i need to run meth on my soon to be 2005 WRX 16g,650cc,intake,down/uppipe,tmic,ecutek? what boost should i run?
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Old 01-09-2006, 10:37 PM   #2
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No, it's not needed. Many people run a 16g setup without meth.
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Old 01-09-2006, 10:42 PM   #3
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i just dont want to spend 500 bucks if i dont need it.
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Old 01-09-2006, 10:44 PM   #4
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I need a yes or no answer. Do i need to run meth on my soon to be 2005 WRX 16g,650cc,intake,down/uppipe,tmic,ecutek? what boost should i run?

You do not NEED to run a meth/H20 injection kit, BUT using an injection kit is like running high octane fuel in your car. You can increase boost, timing, and lean out the AFR's, which will make a lot more power.

Of course, you must get it tuned with the kit to take advantage of the benefits that it can offer.

If money is any issue, just do the above mentioned mods and worry about adding an injection kit later on.

Tuning is key!
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Old 01-09-2006, 10:45 PM   #5
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In addition to attracting water, methanol is corrosive to metals, gaskets and seals. In four stroke engines it is recommended that you use a "top lube" or methanol fuel treatment in order to combat corrosion. Many motorsports oil manufacturers make products specifically for treating methanol fuel systems.

For two stroke applications CT recommend Maxima 927 pre-mixed at 28:1, this will combat corrosion and sufficiently lubricate the engine. Check with the oil manufacturer before mixing your favorite oil with alcohol.

Methanol must be drained from the fuel system at the end of the day every day. This is especially important in the coastal climates. Because fuel tanks and carburetors are ventilated to the atmosphere the methanol inside will absorb water and corrode costly fuel system components.

Once the methanol has been drained from the entire fuel system you will have to put gasoline into the carburetors and run the engine. We use a radiator overflow bottle filled with pre-mix, attach a hose from the bottom of the bottle to the fuel fittings on the carbs. Start the engine and run it for two or three minutes, leave the gasoline in the fuel system until the next ride.
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Old 01-09-2006, 11:01 PM   #6
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I don't believe he is thinking of using methanol in the fuel!
(although a few folks have used low concentrations without incident to date)

Alcohol injection with straight methanol or water injection with 50/50 water methanol is a great bang for the buck mod, if you get the car tuned to use the extra effective octane.

Boost you should run ?? less than it takes to cause detonation ---- seriously there is no solid answer to that question, there are way too many variables to know what your engine will need or tolerate with your setup.

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also forgot to ask, but what awhp power should i be expecting? i want at least 300-340awhp? is that possible for what i got?
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Old 01-10-2006, 12:08 AM   #8
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bigger your turbo is, you will gain more. you will gain very little from 16g i dont think it will worth getting alky kit + wasting money on meth.
you should be better off buying bigger turbo with that money.

on mustang dyno, i doubt you will reach 300whp even with meth on 16g


theres always going to be fear of... if anything goes wrong with the meth injecting while WOT.(and if you are tuned for w/ meht afr)... it only takes few sec for your motor to go boom >:[

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Old 01-10-2006, 11:01 AM   #9
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also forgot to ask, but what awhp power should i be expecting? i want at least 300-340awhp? is that possible for what i got?
16G on a 2.0L USDM is not going ot net you 300-340awhp...at least not on pump gas. It's a fantastic match for that 2.0L....but it's not going to produce those numbers unless you go to a suspicious..err....generous dyno.
That's my opinion and I'm not an expert. If you want ot speak with an expert, speak with Jerry at Deadbolt.
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Well, I have a super 16g on my 2003 wrx and at 18.5psi I make 270whp and 260tq/lbs. In a month I am have a TurboXS FMIC and a alky kit installed and tuned around 20 or 21psi. I expect to be around 340whp with my setup, You need a FMIC if you want over 300whp with a 16g. Also, the plugs in my car were bad in my car at the time of dyno.
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Old 01-10-2006, 12:38 PM   #11
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Well, I have a super 16g on my 2003 wrx and at 18.5psi I make 270whp and 260tq/lbs. In a month I am have a TurboXS FMIC and a alky kit installed and tuned around 20 or 21psi. I expect to be around 340whp with my setup, You need a FMIC if you want over 300whp with a 16g. Also, the plugs in my car were bad in my car at the time of dyno.
i doubt that you will get 340whp.. imo :[ you are not gonna gain 70 hp from alky + fmic. you should expect somewhere around 300whp maybe less.
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you should expect somewhere around 300whp maybe less.
I will get 300whp with my setup and a FMIC without alky. I made 270whp at 18.5psi and bad plugs. 300+whp is very possible with new plugs and a FMIC and then between 30-40whp more with alky injection.
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not in my book... 340 REAL whp on a 16g is dreaming. it just ain't that big.

what does a stock rex dyno on that rig you made 270whp on?
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Old 01-10-2006, 05:01 PM   #14
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I will get 300whp with my setup and a FMIC without alky. I made 270whp at 18.5psi and bad plugs. 300+whp is very possible with new plugs and a FMIC and then between 30-40whp more with alky injection.
I guess we will have to see. But I don't think you will be hitting 300whp w/ 16g. And even if you did, alky injection isn't gonna add you 30~40whp w/ 16g..
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If you do not know a super 16g has a cfm rating of 585 while a deadbolt TD05 18g is 590 cfm.
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