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Old 01-10-2006, 04:55 AM   #1
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Default How would this wing affect road racing?

What do you guys think of this wing from an aero perspective (not looks)? Would it improve performance on a road course?
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If it were just bling, I wouldn't get it... that's why I'm posting here.
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Old 01-10-2006, 05:02 AM   #2
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i highly doubt that does anything. and it looks gay
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:02 AM   #3
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Wow, that $600 can definately be spent in better ways.
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:27 PM   #4
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:33 PM   #5
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Your question is about the same as

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How does this affect road racing?

http://www.kevins90gsx.com/BOVSimula...Simulator.html
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That will have absolutly no effect on the performance of your car. an air foil (or wing) must be shaped at least in the form as an airplane wing(such as the STI's) to have any down force effect. A wing that is simply put at an angle will only cuase more drag which will diminish the performance of your vehicle at high speeds. I say this coming from an aeronautics back ground and not because i am just speaking out of my arse.
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haha, wth is that thing?!?!
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generally... most "aerodynamic" parts... will not help your car in typical AutoX'ing or road coursing... nearly as much as that same amount of money would be into suspension or driving lessons.

If you really want aerodynamics that are cheap, and work, and dont care about looks... get aluminum wing off the back of the hatch, and a plywood splitter under the front bumper. yes i know its ricey, but for $50 you cant beat the downforce.
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:47 PM   #9
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i highly doubt that does anything.
I guarantee you it does something. As to whether or not it would be beneficial is another story.

Ask subiegal she drives the wagon better than anybody's business.
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What do you guys think of this wing from an aero perspective (not looks)? Would it improve performance on a road course?
Dolphin wagon wing


If it were just bling, I wouldn't get it... that's why I'm posting here.
it would make you win all your races. But mostly because everyone would crash because of laughing
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:49 PM   #11
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There is no road course class I can think of where it would be permitted anyway, so racing isn't an issue. However, there could be some severe abuse given at an HPDE.
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Hey! Vivid racing is selling it! I hear they have great customer service & instock discounts!
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:35 PM   #14
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I hear ya, 4wdrift... just using their pic. And thanks, TurboICE... I'll check in with Jamie.
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generally... most "aerodynamic" parts... will not help your car in typical AutoX'ing or road coursing... nearly as much as that same amount of money would be into suspension or driving lessons.

If you really want aerodynamics that are cheap, and work, and dont care about looks... get aluminum wing off the back of the hatch, and a plywood splitter under the front bumper. yes i know its ricey, but for $50 you cant beat the downforce.
Thanks, I've got the suspension + the plans for training. I'll look into your aero suggestions. I hadn't considered that the stock wing could be creating more drag than any downforce advantage. As far as the splitter goes, I don't care what it'd look like on the track if it's safe and improves handling.

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That will have absolutly no effect on the performance of your car. an air foil (or wing) must be shaped at least in the form as an airplane wing(such as the STI's) to have any down force effect. A wing that is simply put at an angle will only cuase more drag which will diminish the performance of your vehicle at high speeds. I say this coming from an aeronautics back ground and not because i am just speaking out of my arse.
What I suspected, thanks. I was hoping someone with an aeronautics back ground would weigh in. What do you recommend for ground effects? Do you agree with TrizzyDizzy about removing the stock wing?
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I say get it. It's the perfect place to put your lunch on when eating between heats.
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I say get it. It's the perfect place to put your lunch on when eating between heats.
If you are 8ft tall maybe!
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Old 01-10-2006, 11:01 PM   #17
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If you are 8ft tall maybe!
...for drying laundry, then!
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Hang the mistle toe under it... and you could even get Serena Williams and Shaq to kiss under it!
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Old 01-11-2006, 02:40 AM   #19
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What do you recommend for ground effects?
You're better off building your own ground effects from Home Depot weatherstripping than with a fiberglass/urethane aftermarket kit.. if that's what you're asking. Ground effects, as seen in the Member's Car Gallery, are purely cosmetic. Some front lips actually do block a little under-car flow, but not enough to brag about.
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Yea, thats like what i said. I say get a plywood splitter under the front bumper. And have it angled downwards a few degrees. Have it go as far back as possible to, with out messing up steering and whatever.
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Yea, thats like what i said. I say get a plywood splitter under the front bumper. And have it angled downwards a few degrees. Have it go as far back as possible to, with out messing up steering and whatever.
the cheap, ghetto and actually somewhat effective way...
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Old 01-11-2006, 04:28 PM   #23
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The picture is too small to tell much, but to answer your question, yes it will do something. I doesn't appear to have any kind of proper wing elements, but the benefit from the wing will come from reduced lift and lessened resultant turbulence (drag.)

The *hump* rear profile of the wagon doesn't do a very good job of creating a smooth transition for the air passing over the car and leaving the rear window area behind. Becuase of the downward curvature, passing air tries to lift up on that profile, takes weight off the rear (although minor for the WRX Wagon application), and creates added turbulence.

This is less of a *wing* and more of a spoiler--one that is meant to spoil the air path Subaru intended it to follow, and to reduce lift and drag.

I'd bet a lot of $ that the people that make it have no idea what it does, and just thought it looked cool. If you are looking for added downforce of any measure, it's a waste. If you want a car that is more slippery through the air, although not that much, it will help.
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This is less of a *wing* and more of a spoiler--one that is meant to spoil the air path Subaru intended it to follow, and to reduce lift and drag.

I'd bet a lot of $ that the people that make it have no idea what it does, and just thought it looked cool. If you are looking for added downforce of any measure, it's a waste. If you want a car that is more slippery through the air, although not that much, it will help.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. I think you can be certain it was designed with an eye to fit of body line and appearance and not with any particular aerodynamics in mind (along with all the other body kits that show up only on show cars). Though I personally think the eye used was either blind or had depth perception issues. I think very much similar to the Euro wagon lifted spoiler.

Leave the stock spoiler - Subaru does know the aero of the car and you can be certain whatever level of effectiveness it has it is at least effective to that designed intent. You aren't going to get downforce effectively on the wagon body anyway. If you want to disrupt some of the turbulent lift that occurs as a result of the design then adapt the old OBS waist spoiler to it, unless you can find someone to send the OEM euro waist spoiler to you.

From Australian Dealer site as an option:


Examples here: http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67088

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Old 01-11-2006, 06:21 PM   #25
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The waist spoiler on the wagon is about as useful aerodynamically as a dead cat.

Spend your money on adapting STI underbody pieces to the car. Those actually have a chance of doing something on the wagon.
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