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Old 01-11-2006, 01:29 PM   #1
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I'm looking for some recommendations for tires that can would make good HPDE (track day) tires. Must be a street tire (no RA-1s), hold up to sustained heat without greasing, and have reasonable wear characteristics. I have been using Kumho MX's previously and really enjoyed them but I'm doing some research on tire/wheel sizes for a track only combo and the MX is a bit limited in sizing for 16". However don't worry about limited tire sizes in your recomendations, I'm exploring all options. Thanks.
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Old 01-11-2006, 01:38 PM   #2
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Old 01-11-2006, 01:51 PM   #3
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Myles from racecmp wrote a great post in a thread some where that covered alot of the popular R-compounds, a number of which are DOT legal. Of course the RA-1 is DOT legal, puts up with heat and has a slow wear rate for a R-comp but you have ruled that out of yoiur choice. Obviously if you don't want the RA-1 you won't consider the sport cups.

What treadwear do you consider streetable? It sounds like you are looking at the same selection of tire that are used for Street Touring autoX classes.

These will work fine for HPDEs, although as soon as you try an R-comp you'll get hooked... pun intended.

Are you looking for just a dry tire or one that will suit you for both dry and wet at HPDE?
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:54 PM   #4
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I'd be concerned with oil starvation using a tire softer than the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup or Kumho VictoRacer V700, and even then you may run into an issue. MXs sound like a good choice, or if you want to do 17s find a set of take-off OEM STi tires (RE070s) since you can ususally find a set for cheap here on the boards. They also work well on the track for a street tire.

I've done all (but two on RE070s) of my track days on shaved max performance summer tires (Pirelli PZero System Asimmetrico, 140AA UTQG). While they're not nearly as fast as race tires, they last a long time, corner well (around 1.05g) and are heat tolerant. No issues with oil pressure drop or starvation.
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I thought the Pilot Sport Cups were an R-Comp?
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Old 01-11-2006, 04:03 PM   #6
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I would find takeoff RE070s or a set of Advan takeoffs from an Evo. Both have great grip on the track for a street tire. Although if you are buying tires that are only to be used in HPDE, R-comps are the way to go.
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I specifically do not want R compounds at this time. (I should have been clearer on that in my first post.) I'm still not skilled enough on the track to not quickly destroy a R compound tire by just pushing the snot out of it in the corners. Javid is correct in his guess that I'm really looking for tires that are more along Street Touring autoX class tires such as the Kumho MX and Toyo Proxes T1R. Ideally any tire choice would be for both wet and dry but chances are 98% of any track days I go to would be dry. Also to clearify these will become track only tires and will see no street use.
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I love my Potenza S03's...they were great on the track...I liked them better then the Toyo T1-S I have had on the track. Wear is decent and overall performance is A+ in my book...

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I have used my Kumho SPT's in HPDE and they held up extremely well. I was very very impressed...Check those out on tire rack. In 225/45/17 they are only like 87 bucks a tire.
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...meh...if ya like the MX's....try a set of the Z212 Hankooks....they're cheap enough.

I had the MX's and liked them.....have the 'kooks and like them, too....mostly the same kind of 'feel', but a bit better grip overall and better wet
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dont forget about the falken 615's i have 3 track days and 9k on mine with about 1/2 tread left. and im very happy with them fastest street tire i have ever driven on
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Thanks for the info guys. I'll check out all those tires and see what makes sense and hits that financially feasible mark.
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