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Old 01-11-2006, 06:49 PM   #1
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So, looking for some suggestions on budget (500bucks) seat+rails/harness. I rally and auto cross my rs (STX now), but it's also daily driven. I'd ldeally like to do a matching pair of seats, and a harness for the driver (700bucks).

Seats: The stock RS seats have been annoying me a bit (they bounce a lot, and the padding is a little too squishy) since I put some stiffer struts and spings on the car (nothing rediculous- GC pink springs and kyb pink adj struts- I think the rates are 200/180ish)

So I'm thinking of replacing the front seats, but as usual, the concerns are:
  1. more supportive, less bouncy, but not uncomfortable for a 2 hr drive.
  2. Reclinable
  3. Not higher than stock height (my helmet already is really close to the roof now)
  4. I have a 34" waist, but I do go snowboarding, and I'd bet with a big jacket on a seat designed for a 36" waist is gonna be difficult.
  5. budget- used is preferable. I realize seats need backets, so that is an additional cost
  6. My RS interior is the stock black/grey. I'd love it if the seats were a dark grey or black (faded is fine), but yellow/red/blue- well, this would look pretty ricey in my rattly old RS
A friend suggested the Corbeau A4 wide or Sparco Siena . Good place to start? Pro's/Con's of either one? Suggest something different? Got an old seat you want to sell that I should buy ?

Harness: Been reading a thread here, and people seem to reccomend the Schroth rallye 4s. This looks like the ticket, but are there any other suggestions instead? I'd like it to be functionally similar:
  1. play nice with the current belts
  2. not require holes drilled for mounting
  3. comes out easy (with the exception of the mounting tails)
2 Last notes- I'm not unrealistic about the costs here, but I'd like to stay as close to $500 as possible (IE- the less over I go, the less flak from my lovely wife), and I haven't done a track day, and don't plan on it. Both the harness and seat are more to stop me from bouncing all over on the course, and not to protect me. The harness won't be used on the street ever, but the seat I'll sit in everyday.
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Old 01-11-2006, 08:25 PM   #2
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Try the for sale forums for some STi seats?
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Old 01-11-2006, 08:55 PM   #3
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Don't bother getting a passenger seat, just spend the $$ on the driver seat (if you are not going to track the car).

I'd get a Sparco Evo. I've been daily driving them for over a year. Durable, comfortable, streetable, everything you could ask. (They're not reclineable though) They make them in different sizes, as well.

I have sat in most of the reclineable Sparcos, and wasn't really satisfied with the bolstering. Not a lot better than the stock WRX seats. YMMV.

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Old 01-12-2006, 12:08 AM   #4
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He might need the reclining type depending on his class. Also, many of the USDM STi seats are for sale for good reason. My 2004 seats are horrible, and I like my 2002 RS seats the more I sit in them.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:15 AM   #5
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maybe try to get the recaros in the evo, take offs probably arnt THAT bad pricing wise.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:16 AM   #6
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I have sat in most of the reclineable Sparcos, and wasn't really satisfied with the bolstering. Not a lot better than the stock WRX seats. YMMV
Hmm. Reclinability is a must- no way my wife is gonna go for it otherwise.

About the wrx seats comparison though- what would you rate them on a 1 to 10 scale in bolstering? Just to get an idea how good they are or how bad the reclinable sparcos are.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:18 AM   #7
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He might need the reclining type depending on his class.


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14.1 AUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS - STS
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14.2. BODY WORK
B. The driver and front passenger seats may be replaced, with the following restrictions:
The seating surface must be fully uphol-
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The top of the seat, or an attached headrest, may not be
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The seat, not including mounting hardware, must weigh at least 15 pounds.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:23 AM   #8
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Hmm. Reclinability is a must- no way my wife is gonna go for it otherwise.

About the wrx seats comparison though- what would you rate them on a 1 to 10 scale in bolstering? Just to get an idea how good they are or how bad the reclinable sparcos are.
Well... datapoints from my butt dyno which may or may not be scientific:

USDM STi: 1/10
Reclineable Sparcos that I have sat in (Milano, Torino): 2.5/10
WRX: 3/10
JDM WRX: 5/10
USDM Evo: 6/10 (gawd, these are great stock seats, get some if you can)
Sparco Evo: 8/10
Sparco Circuit: 10/10 but I wouldn't street them

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Old 01-12-2006, 09:33 AM   #9
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I had the Corbeau CR1 in my RS, along with the Schroth Rallye 4 harnesses. Setup worked great. It sat a bit lower than the stock seats, so I was pleased. I can't post any pics, but IM me and I can email you some.
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:17 AM   #10
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Strange, I could have sworn that the Street Touring rules required reclining seats...
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:33 AM   #11
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Strange, I could have sworn that the Street Touring rules required reclining seats...
I believe that they used to. I remember it was an issue when I bought some Corbeau Forzas for my old car and was trying to decide between SP and ST.
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Old 01-12-2006, 03:01 PM   #12
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I believe that they used to. I remember it was an issue when I bought some Corbeau Forzas for my old car and was trying to decide between SP and ST.
Ditto. A guy I know had these cool eBay seats in his ESP Firebird, but I couldn't use them for STS (2002 RS) at the time. There was probably a Fasttrack on it or something and I was too busy looking for steering rack bushings instead.
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:23 PM   #13
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Well... datapoints from my butt dyno which may or may not be scientific:

USDM STi: 1/10
Reclineable Sparcos that I have sat in (Milano, Torino): 2.5/10
WRX: 3/10
JDM WRX: 5/10
USDM Evo: 6/10 (gawd, these are great stock seats, get some if you can)
Sparco Evo: 8/10
Sparco Circuit: 10/10 but I wouldn't street them

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This is great, thanks- I have a friend with a new Evo here at work. Take offs might be a good option.

If anyone else can rate their reccomendation and one other (like the wrx) it helps a lot- we're quantifying percieved feel, so the ratings aren't as important as the diference between the ratings for the seats compared.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:13 PM   #14
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I think 02 USDM WRX seats = JDM WRX seats? Oh man, the upholstery is ugly though.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:51 PM   #15
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I think 02 USDM WRX seats = JDM WRX seats? Oh man, the upholstery is ugly though.
Nope. I've had both. The Ver7 JDM WRX seats are the same as the Ver7 JDM STi seats which is to say they actually have something resembling bolstering. They are Recaros, IIRC. The USDM seats are good, but not as well bolstered as the overseas ones.
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:22 PM   #16
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I had a thread in here earlier looking for seat recommendations too...most were suggesting the Sparco Pro2000 or the Sparco Evo.

I also did some searching and found that Sport Compact Car had done a seat review in '03. From what I understand, they tested close to 100 different seats and noted what seats are good for certain purposes and driver sizes. Unfortunately its out of print and I'm still waiting for the reprint copy to show up!
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:23 PM   #17
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I had a thread in here earlier looking for seat recommendations too...most were suggesting the Sparco Pro2000 or the Sparco Evo.
I was reading that thread I think.. Both of those seats are non-reclining, so no go.
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I also did some searching and found that Sport Compact Car had done a seat review in '03. From what I understand, they tested close to 100 different seats and noted what seats are good for certain purposes and driver sizes. Unfortunately its out of print and I'm still waiting for the reprint copy to show up!
Bump either thread when it shows...
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Old 01-13-2006, 07:43 AM   #18
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I had a thread in here earlier looking for seat recommendations too...most were suggesting the Sparco Pro2000 or the Sparco Evo.

I also did some searching and found that Sport Compact Car had done a seat review in '03. From what I understand, they tested close to 100 different seats and noted what seats are good for certain purposes and driver sizes. Unfortunately its out of print and I'm still waiting for the reprint copy to show up!

I've got that mag.

They did alot of seats, but as SCC usually does they don't use the best of descriptions for fitment and the like.

example,

28" waist: "Loose"
34": Tight
36": Perfect.

that is basically what they say for the most part, and how a seat can be tight on 34 and perfect for a 36 is beyond me, I kinda wished they would've said some more description of the person who was their test dummy.

the best part about it is they say what is FIA and the weight of alot of them which is nice.

I'll try and track it down for ya.

Myself being 6'1" 165 some lbs i'm in a awkward situation trying to find a seat tall enough yet narrow enough. I'd love to use the ZetaIII (recently FIA Approved) but I'm afraid it'll be too short since it's designed for about a 5'6" or 5'8" JDM Dude.

The Pro2000 felt awesome, a little loose in the waist for me but i'm a twig.

and as a suggestion for the original poster, the STi Recaro Seat!! it's a little $$ but from what I hear the bolsters are awesome for big or small people.

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Old 01-13-2006, 06:42 PM   #19
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I had the Corbeau CR1 in my RS, along with the Schroth Rallye 4 harnesses. Setup worked great. It sat a bit lower than the stock seats, so I was pleased. I can't post any pics, but IM me and I can email you some.
Missed reading your post earlier- when you had the CR1, what were your impressions of it as far as a daily driver? IE, "2x firmer than the stock RS seat, and uncomfortable for 2+hr drives" Also, how tight were these on you? It says 'up to a 36"' waist, and I wonder how accurate that description is.

Thanks again everyone- not sure if it seems like it, but this info has been very helpful so far.
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get anything but usdm sti seats i would love to have my 02 wrx seats back over these blue useless things that are in my car now.
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Old 01-14-2006, 02:38 PM   #21
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Missed reading your post earlier- when you had the CR1, what were your impressions of it as far as a daily driver? IE, "2x firmer than the stock RS seat, and uncomfortable for 2+hr drives" Also, how tight were these on you? It says 'up to a 36"' waist, and I wonder how accurate that description is.

Thanks again everyone- not sure if it seems like it, but this info has been very helpful so far.
The CR1 is definitely more firm than the stock seats, but it is still comfortable. I had a 34" waist at the time and it was snug. Overall I liked the seat and didn't think you could beat it for the money. I think Sparco are definitely higher quality, but their prices are a bit much for my wallet.
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