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Old 06-13-2001, 08:37 AM   #1
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Post Front tie-down loops gone: now what?

The last time I had my '95 Legacy in for servicing, they decided to remove the front tie-down loops as per the safety recall.

Now, I didn't ask them to do this, and I deliberately did not bring the car in for them to remove the hooks because: a) that's what I was using to tie down my row boat for fishing trips. b) I haven't had any problems with the airbags going off due to the hooks.

So now what? Anybody know where I can recure the tie downs in the front of the vehicle? The dealership called Subaru USA, and they said they have no answer!

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Old 06-13-2001, 06:44 PM   #2
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Maybe you can find a salvage yard and scavenge some replacecement tow hooks? Just a thought, I don't know if there are any good salvage facilities near you.

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Old 06-19-2001, 04:10 PM   #3
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Exclamation Airbag problem

I would leave them off there has been alot of problems with people hitting curbs and setting off the airbags.
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Old 06-20-2001, 12:43 AM   #4
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I would leave them off there has been alot of problems with people hitting curbs and setting off the airbags.
LOL: so Subaru has to take these things off because people don't know how to drive?!?!? Isn't the real problem that people are stupid? Sorry, I just found that to be comical

Seriously, I have heard the same thing in their tech bulletins, but geez, now I have to figure out a way of transporting my boat! Wish they would have thought that fix out more...
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Old 06-20-2001, 07:42 AM   #5
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You mean you have never pulled up too far on a curb?
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Old 10-03-2002, 11:11 AM   #6
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I have a 95 Legacy that I use for carrying canoes, so I also need the hooks. I got the same recall notice but ignored it because I have scraped the hooks repeatedly and nothing happened. I called SOA and they said the airbag problem has really only happened a few times. There really is nowhere else solid on the front of the car to tie down to.

The dealership should not have cut the hooks off your car without asking you first. If I were you, I would go back to the dealership and insist that they weld on replacement hooks.
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Old 10-04-2002, 11:10 AM   #7
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You can't prove a negative. Especially not with only a few datum points. With enough data you can establish a probibilty. Just becuase you have hit the tow hooks a few times, and the airbags have not gone off, does not mean that thay can't

Now here is a solution:
A freind of mine hauls boats on his Olds Intriege (SP?), which has no tow hooks. He bolted some climbing webbing to the fender *inside the engine bay* and runs the webbing up through the crack between the hood and fender. Soft climbing webbing (as opposed to the the abrasive cheap stuff) does not seem to harm the paint, and he just drops them into the engine bay when not in use. He tied steel rings to the ends to tie his ropes to. Tip, clean the frequently (and/or before use)

I can get pic is requested
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Old 10-04-2002, 11:43 AM   #8
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You can't prove a negative. Especially not with only a few datum points. With enough data you can establish a probibilty. Just becuase you have hit the tow hooks a few times, and the airbags have not gone off, does not mean that thay can't
True enough, but I have hit them quite hard quite a few times and nothing happened. I think if the airbags were going to go off they would have already. As I said "I called SOA and they said the airbag problem has really only happened a few times." That establishes a probability based on a lot of data.

Your proposed solution is a good one that I have seen other people use. You just have to make sure to find solid points to bolt onto. It could never be as strong as the tow hooks, though ...
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Old 10-04-2002, 12:16 PM   #9
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"I called SOA and they said the airbag problem has really only happened a few times." That establishes a probability based on a lot of data
Yup, and with a defintate probibilty of an explosion-in-a-bag going off in my face, I would have them off too (just my opinion ). Mine are covered by my skid plate.

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It could never be as strong as the tow hooks, though ...
..err, you probably don't want to carry anything on the roof that need something as strong as the tow hooks to anchor to. just a suggestion of course.

BTW, climbing webbing has an enourmous load strength (measures in tons). REI 1" tubular webbing (what my friend uses) has a load rating of 18.1 kilonewtons (3982 pounds). yes, you could suspend your Subie by one strap.

Now the anchor bolt on the other hand...
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Old 10-04-2002, 10:22 PM   #10
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Well, I have been more careful not to bang the tow hooks since I got that recall notice; I still think the probability of triggering the airbags is pretty low.

I agree the climbing webbing is plenty strong enough; it's the attachment point that is the issue. It doesn't have to be as strong as the tow hooks, but I'm still not sure what I would use.
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