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Old 01-12-2006, 03:50 PM   #1
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Just wondering who makes them. I've done quite a bit of digging and found only MRT(Noltec) and PDE make them. Are there any other companies? As I find it hard to believe that only two companies make a certain product.

Also, any thoughts on these two units? The PDE's look a little complicated to use, but who knows. Only thing I don't like about the MRT's is it looks like you have to "eye-ball" your adjustments because of how they are designed. Also, which ones have the most adjustment?

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Old 01-12-2006, 03:54 PM   #2
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My thought would be to check the Suspension Forum, as this has been discussed repeatedly there.

And it's caster, not castor.

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Old 01-12-2006, 04:02 PM   #3
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dang, pat got in before I had a chance

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Old 01-12-2006, 04:22 PM   #4
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These allow use of conventional springs , stock springs, pinks or prodrive. They lower the car 3/8 inch in front and are made of 7075 T6. Allows for -3.0 camber and targets the weekend autocrosser and track day user.



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Old 01-12-2006, 04:26 PM   #5
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Thanks for the spelling lesson and for what basically equates to "do a search n00b"....it all makes much more sense now.

goto_racing - Those look similar to the PDE plates. How do they work?

Myles - I like the plates, but I would like something with castEr adjustment
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:31 PM   #6
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There are two ways

MRT Plates - More adjustment and the plate can be cut and modified to give you even more adjustment

DMS/PDE - Less adjustment range, but they offer you a "set" adjustment where you aren't guessing at "how much do I have"

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:26 PM   #7
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There are two ways

MRT Plates - More adjustment and the plate can be cut and modified to give you even more adjustment

DMS/PDE - Less adjustment range, but they offer you a "set" adjustment where you aren't guessing at "how much do I have"

-Tom
last I checked MRT == Noltec.

you also might check with ground control, but I am not sure what is available for the subaru...
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:27 PM   #8
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Speaking of having a pimp ass set of camber/caster plates for sale

SloRice PM me

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yes, ground control makes some too.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:36 PM   #10
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Stole some pics from speedabsolute in the suspension forum




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Old 01-12-2006, 06:06 PM   #11
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Omg, No Castor! But My Car Will Understeer Right Into A Wall!
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The DMS is the PDE. Nice pieces, BTW.
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:26 PM   #13
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These allow use of conventional springs , stock springs, pinks or prodrive. They lower the car 3/8 inch in front and are made of 7075 T6. Allows for -3.0 camber and targets the weekend autocrosser and track day user.



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I've read great reviews of these. One of the locals has them. He installed them on opposite sides of the car, so the slot isn't purely lateral. With them switched you gain negative camber and caster at the same time. You can't adjust them independently as you could with combo plates, but its an option for less money.

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I've read great reviews of these. One of the locals has them. He installed them on opposite sides of the car, so the slot isn't purely lateral. With them switched you gain negative camber and caster at the same time. You can't adjust them independently as you could with combo plates, but its an option for less money.

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does that local happen to know what alignment numbers he can get with those plates maxed out when installed in that orientation? and for the record, those plates are definately not less money than noltecs.
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does that local happen to know what alignment numbers he can get with those plates maxed out when installed in that orientation? and for the record, those plates are definately not less money than noltecs.
PM him and ask...SlideWRX I believe...Tom
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Thanks for the spelling lesson and for what basically equates to "do a search n00b"....it all makes much more sense now.
what? are you saying he was rude for not being an ass and coming out and saying "do a search noob now DIAF"? cause a lot of guys woould have just said that.
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there's a way that you can turn the tein camber plates to work both camber/caster adjustments...

let me find that link.. big sky had a detailed writeup about it at one point.
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I guess the question is, does it promote a good castor vs. camber curve. Is there such thing as too much castor for the subies, and can you adjust the castor so much you have interference issues with tires?
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I guess the question is, does it promote a good castor vs. camber curve. Is there such thing as too much castor for the subies, and can you adjust the castor so much you have interference issues with tires?
castEr noob! DIAF!
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These allow use of conventional springs , stock springs, pinks or prodrive. They lower the car 3/8 inch in front and are made of 7075 T6. Allows for -3.0 camber and targets the weekend autocrosser and track day user.



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Are these plates still 300 dollars for camber only adjustment?

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Cusco camber plates redrilled at 45 degres (possible because they are a round plate).

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I guess the question is, does it promote a good castor vs. camber curve. Is there such thing as too much castor for the subies, and can you adjust the castor so much you have interference issues with tires?
The general consensus among the racer types that have experimented with castEr and camber is that adding positive caster is good, but adding negative camber is better. At the small turning angles we typically use in auto-x and open track events, the additional negative camber created by running a couple extra degress of positive castEr just isn't that much. You're much better off running stock caster and lots more negative camber.

With that said, I bought some Race Comp camber plates, and will be mounting them angled in my car (since the strut mount bolt pattern is oriented differently on my car than on a '02+ WRX). I don't have any desire to run the huge negative camber numbers that others run, so running some more positive caster and a couple degrees of negative camber is good enough for me.

For some of the better discussions of all this, look here http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=821252 and here http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667681 and here http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=876384 .

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...and can you adjust the castor so much you have interference issues with tires?
I don't follow you here. Where would you get interference issues from running positive caster?

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Are these plates still 300 dollars for camber only adjustment?
Isn't it more like $400? Nice pieces though.
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It looks painful but it's really not. Hell, the older I get the less I can speel.
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