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Old 01-14-2006, 08:36 PM   #1
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Unhappy Possible rubbing problem with the Strano FSB

Today I had my car at the local Sube dealer. While up on the rack, we discovered that one of the bolts for the power steering bracket on the left side was rubbing up against the Strano FSB! As I have had this one for a few weeks now, and the scratch looked clean, then this must have just happened. Perhaps because the car was on a hoist with the wheels dangling and not under tension, the bar may be moving enough to rub up against the bolt? I sure HOPE that is all it is, because if it IS constantly rubbing up against that bolt, either the bolt head might break off or wear enough you could never get it off again with a socket, or the bolt maybe is harder than the bar metal, and might wear a hole into the bar and weaken it. This is a wee bit disturbing.

I called Max, and he looked under his car, and seen it starting to happen to his as well. He will try to take a pic of this and post it.
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Old 01-14-2006, 08:40 PM   #2
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Here's the picture. I don't know if it possible to loosen the sway bar mounts and move the whole bar slightly forward - there doesn't seem much play there.

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Old 01-14-2006, 08:48 PM   #3
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This picture was taken with the suspension under load, not on a lift.
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Old 01-14-2006, 11:25 PM   #4
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the pic is kind of confusing....

... that bolt that is resting on that piece of metal..... is that your sway bar?

also what size FSB are you running?

this post probably should be in the brakes, steering, and suspension forum BTW
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Old 01-14-2006, 11:26 PM   #5
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Yes, it is the sway bar. It's a Strano bar which is pretty much motorsports specific, hence this forum.
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Old 01-14-2006, 11:40 PM   #6
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this post probably should be in the brakes, steering, and suspension forum BTW
In a way, that is true. But this is in response to the post about AS Front Swaybar that got Max and I very interested in the Strano bar. And the guys most involved with making this bar happen, are in this forum. And this bar is specifically for those of us in Solo II, not just street guys. So hope we can keep this in motorsports, for others may need to know this as well - and hope we can get an answer back from those we need to hear from.

And yes, that is the FSB, 32mm in size. This pic is looking at it from the driver's side towards the passenger side. There is a 2 bolt bracket that connects to the steering gear, and the inboard bolt is rubbing REAL bad in my bar, even gouging it a bit. This COULD be a safety issue that may need action taken fast.
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Old 01-15-2006, 12:23 AM   #7
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In a way, that is true. But this is in response to the post about AS Front Swaybar that got Max and I very interested in the Strano bar. And the guys most involved with making this bar happen, are in this forum. And this bar is specifically for those of us in Solo II, not just street guys. So hope we can keep this in motorsports, for others may need to know this as well - and hope we can get an answer back from those we need to hear from.

And yes, that is the FSB, 32mm in size. This pic is looking at it from the driver's side towards the passenger side. There is a 2 bolt bracket that connects to the steering gear, and the inboard bolt is rubbing REAL bad in my bar, even gouging it a bit. This COULD be a safety issue that may need action taken fast.
32mm

Holy carp!!!! that is friggin huge!!

my bad thank you for clarifying

since the car was on a lift, I really don't know what to tell you as far as if it will only hit the bar while hoisted

try putting some slow curing substance on the bar at your next Auto X

after your run see if the substance is on those bolts after your most recent run

that way you'll be able to tell if your bar is hitting those bolts under full load

good luck

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Old 01-15-2006, 12:36 AM   #8
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My car was up on a hoist earlier today, and the Sube mechanic was the one who saw it and pointed it out to me. My wheels were in the air, drooping. But I did not have a cam with me, so no pics of that. Max's pic is with his car up on ramps, so there is load on the wheels - yet you STILL can see how close that bolt is, even then. I hope some of the guys we need to see this replies to us soon!
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The picture IS taken under load.
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Old 01-15-2006, 12:59 AM   #10
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get a bolt with a shorter head maybe??
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:15 AM   #11
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I will check mine out tomorrow if weather is permitted. I don't remember seeing something that close to the bar, but mine is an 04, so it may be different.
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:31 AM   #12
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get a bolt with a shorter head maybe??
This is a pretty good idea, a socket head cap screw with a washer would probably solve the problem; If not a button head would.
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:47 AM   #13
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I'll look at mine too.
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:50 AM   #14
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yikes, this is a little scary! I just ordered mine last week... keep us posted about this ! Can you get us better pictures cause im still a little unsure where this is....

edit: this is andrewss (has 05 STi) posting accidently as awesome2.5rs
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Old 01-15-2006, 03:13 AM   #15
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Rocky, Max ... let us know how the bar worked for you at the season opener.

Luckily Karl is only doing a one off in STU !
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Old 01-15-2006, 09:57 AM   #16
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I have to ask a question. Just how big of a bar should we be able to fit before we start hitting things? Looking at the 32mm bar...I'd say you need to start making room for it by using 1/2 height head fasteners or possibly a different position for the bar itself.

I would hate to see this become an inflated issue degrading Stranoparts or their customer support. If a bar this large requires custom fasteners for parts in close proximity, lets make that the focal point.

This is really no different that mounting wider wheels and tires and noticing that now the fenders need rolled.


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Old 01-15-2006, 11:18 AM   #17
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I don't have this bar, but Crash477 seems to have gotten his on an 02 without any issues. You guys may want to hit him up in a pm or something.
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Old 01-15-2006, 11:25 AM   #18
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We're not here to bash the bar or Stranoparts - we're just curious to see if other STI owners have the same issue (if it is even an issue), and what the best remedy is. I like the bar and want to make it work.
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Old 01-15-2006, 12:59 PM   #19
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The same bolt rubs on my car with the Strano bar installed.



as a side note this is how I installed the Endlinks

Picture with the suspension hanging and the car on a lift.


Picture of the endlinks with the car on the ground.



The bolt going thru the bushings is not at an angle with the car on the ground


Considering the picture included in the instructions shows the bar installed with the angle bracket that holds the endlinks installed backwards and every installation of this bar I have seen has been different.



This bar seems really noisey also




P.S.

When I weighed the Strano bar and all the installation hardware it weighed 11.5 lbs

The same as the whiteline FSB is listed at


edit: I forgot the Whiteline does NOT include endlinks.

It was pointed out later on in this thread

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Old 01-15-2006, 07:31 PM   #20
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Perhaps the width of the swaybar mounts is slightly less than earlier designs. You could probably add a washer under the mounting brackets and clear the bolt. Obviously a less intrusive steering rack bolt would also solve the problem.

In any event, that small amount of contact is not nearly enough to hinder the operation of the bar based on the forces the suspension is under. I think the only thing at risk is the finish on the swaybar.
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If this actually grooves the swaybar it could lead to early failure at that point. Stresses on the outside of a hollow bar are generally pretty high. If it were me I would just install a different fastener, seems like a no - brainer.
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It looks fine for us '04s.


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Old 01-16-2006, 01:47 AM   #23
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I don't have this bar, but Crash477 seems to have gotten his on an 02 without any issues. You guys may want to hit him up in a pm or something.
No issues for me, just some customizing of the mounting brackets. I havent checked yet for the rubbing issue discussed in this thread, but I will when I get the chance. but it does rub somwhere, I can hear it.
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Old 01-16-2006, 05:15 AM   #24
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First off, I want it known that I am NOT trashing the Strano bar! In the AutoX today, it worked GREAT, and the car felt better than it ever did, and in all types of turns or slaloms. And in conjunction with the softer sprung KW V3's, it was just about perfect! Now I need to keep with the same setup for awhile and learn to trust it, and thus drive it better.

So in essence, I WANT this to work, just work right. Now for the ulgy:
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It looks fine for us '04s.
Of course it would, the 05/06 has different parts in the steering than yours. We have one side that is a solid bolt on, your rack has bushings at both ends. And ours is rubbing on the side with the solid bolt on bracket.
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If this actually grooves the swaybar it could lead to early failure at that point. Stresses on the outside of a hollow bar are generally pretty high.
That is my point - if it gouges into the bar (and mine was starting too when the tech at the Sube dealer pointed it out to me - but the wheels were in the air and drooping if that might be a partial cause), it could eventually weaken the wall of the hollow bar, and perhaps eventually split, and then BECAUSE of the severe stress this bar has (as was said when someone wanted to drill the mounting brackets to add a zerk fitting), break in half at the wrong time - under severe load while in a turn = OUCH. Or, on the other hand, if the bar is rubbing, or even BANGING on that bolt, what if it shears the head off (if the bar is made of stronger metal???). Would also cause bigger problem while driving.
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If it were me I would just install a different fastener, seems like a no - brainer.
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Obviously a less intrusive steering rack bolt would also solve the problem.
If you mean as in using a smaller head bolt, that could help. But then, would that weaken the strength of the bolt? This IS part of the steering rack. Don't want to skimp on that at all. That would be a major SAFETY issue. And I would imagine SoA used a certain size bolt with a specific tensile strength for a reason in that spot.
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You could probably add a washer under the mounting brackets and clear the bolt.
Again, if drilling to add a zerk would weaken the bracket, would raising the bracket with a washer also cause a weakening of the bracket? It would no longer be solid flat against the metal frame, but raised up a bit in a smaller area (meaning a greater pound per sq in pressure in a smaller area).
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If you mean as in using a smaller head bolt, that could help. But then, would that weaken the strength of the bolt? This IS part of the steering rack. Don't want to skimp on that at all. That would be a major SAFETY issue. And I would imagine SoA used a certain size bolt with a specific tensile strength for a reason in that spot.
Replace it with a socket head cap screw of the same size (allen bolt). The head will be smaller, and the it will be a stronger bolt than the that is there.

Socket head cap screws are rated higher in tensile strength than grade 8.
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