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Old 09-14-2001, 08:52 PM   #1
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Default Total blasphemy - should I get a Honda Insight?

Thinking of trading my WRX for a Honda Insight. Crazy? Read on...

I miss the lightweight tossability of the GC8. I miss being able to bust a U-turn in a 2-lane road without backing up. I miss being competitive in the autocross and having fun in the twisties. Straight lines are a lot of fun in this car, but I know it's going to get me into trouble soon. Also the Subaru community isn't what it used to be (not that I don't love you guys of course).

In favor of the Insight:
- Smallest damn car you can get these days
- Aluminum frame == LIGHT!!!!
- Geek cool, new challenges and interesting things to do...
- Sponsorship opportunities (remember Schieble and his New Beetle...)

Plan:
- Mount good tires, not the low rolling resistance crap. I saw an Insight with SP8000's do very well at a San Francisco autocross.
- Increase engine output, either by turbocharging, increasing power delivery to the electric motor, or something else...?!?!
- Tune suspension in as much as possible. May require custom fabrication, but it's still a wishbone suspension (= superior to MacPherson strut on smooth roads / track)
- Buy a 323GTX as a winter car / hauler.

Questions:
- Torque steer? Is it a bitch? How about with 150hp?
- Engine management able to cope with turbocharging? Or will I have to do some custom ECU jobbie?
- Overall cost? Maybe pretty similar to the WRX, no?


I checked on the Insight message board and those lunatics are all about competing for who gets the best mileage. Somebody actually asked a question about turbocharging and was flamed into nonexistence. But that's cool -- it's time to try something different.


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Old 09-14-2001, 09:04 PM   #2
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the Insight is pretty damn cool, but I'm partial to the Prius.

There is no way I'm gving up the Soooper Wagon, but having a Prius or Insight as a city-driver would rule!
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:05 PM   #3
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man, last night's rejection really got to you huh???

if you miss the GC8 so much, why not sell the rex and go turbo/swap the GC8 then???

i actually vote for getting the E30 M3
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:07 PM   #4
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Why the Prius? Because you can drive it around on electric power only?

The thing that most attracts me about the Insight is its crazy aluminum frame. This is NSX/S2000 quality stuff without the pricetag (gotta love loss-leaders).

Although I have to admit the Prius does have a pimped out instrument panel.

As for tuneability, doesn't the Insight have more potential?

You squeeze 20hp out of an Insight, you go much faster ... 20hp on the WRX, and you can barely feel it...
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:07 PM   #5
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E30M3 = $$$$$ and it's still a used car from the eighties.

I am more of a clean, new car kind of guy...
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:09 PM   #6
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you Vancouver guys seem like a tight knit bunch LA Sucks here in SoCal nobody can get their crap together to do anything LA Sucks Too bad I was too flaky to get it together to meet you guys when I was up there last week LA Sucks maybe next time LA Sucks

P.S. Get the Insight and keep the WRX! LA Sucks


oh yeah, LA Sucks
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:10 PM   #7
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Hah. Bling bling baby, if I had the dough I would do both! But I would not move to LA.
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:11 PM   #8
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The Prius is more useful for starters and it looks more normal.

I test drove one in Portland last week and I loved it!

But props on the Insight too! pretty damn cool car.
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:12 PM   #9
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did I mention LA Sucks ?

I gotta get out!

how did you move to Canada from the US? LA Sucks
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:13 PM   #10
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The Adventure in Moving, U-Haul baby!
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:14 PM   #11
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well I figured that!!! LA Sucks

But considering the whole foreign country thing, how did you swing it?

hmm. I do have family in Toronto LA Sucks
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:17 PM   #12
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SCS -- Go back to your own forum! I am here on a work visa ... much restrictions ... can't change jobs ... can't be within 40 feet of young boys.

Be ready to take a big reduction in pay if you wanna move to the Great White North (or in the case of Richmond, the Great Yellow North).
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Old 09-14-2001, 09:23 PM   #13
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ow! what love

I guess I'll just move to Portland like originally planned

and I promise to stay out of your forum, you guys are mean
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Old 09-14-2001, 10:03 PM   #14
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Get the new Mini!
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Old 09-15-2001, 12:04 AM   #15
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Default You've gone nuts!

Hey Joe, I think you want the Insight just because you miss the 3 cylinder 1.0L in your old Metro! But seriously, I know you're just interested in all that new engineering in the car. Well, at least I'm very interested in it. Maybe you just want a crazy new project...

Good luck upping the output of its engine and motor. That's some seriously uncharted territory there. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Sponsorship sounds interesting, but I doubt anyone would want to sponsor you. Let's see... tuners don't like this car, young people shun this car, and Honda won't touch you with a 10' pole because you just turned their enviro-friendly green-mobile into a rolling CO & NOx factory.

It just sounds to me like you need some sort of project car to work on. Since you're dying to become a Honda boy just like me , I'll give you a few recommendations for a project car...

The Insight, at 1900lb (not THAT light IMO), is virtually a 2g CRX HF, in terms of looks, fuel efficiency, and body weight.

'92-'95 EG Civic hatchback. These things are super light (can be stripped down to 1900lb) and have a huge aftermarket. You can drop in anything from a 195hp B18C5 Integra R engine, to a torquey B20Z2 CR-V engine. Build the B18C5 engine to spin 10000RPM and you've got yourself a lightweight demon that's got the power to embarrass American muscle and outcorner most sports cars. Turbo the B20Z2 and you've still got a lightweight with uncharacteristic large car torque.

I know a bit about Hondas now, so if you wanna be a Honda boy, I can help you get a running start!
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Old 09-15-2001, 12:18 AM   #16
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'92-'95 EG Civic hatchback. These things are super light (can be stripped down to 1900lb) and have a huge aftermarket. You can drop in anything from a 195hp B18C5 Integra R engine, to a torquey B20Z2 CR-V engine. Build the B18C5 engine to spin 10000RPM and you've got yourself a lightweight demon that's got the power to embarrass American muscle and outcorner most sports cars. Turbo the B20Z2 and you've still got a lightweight with uncharacteristic large car torque.

I know a bit about Hondas now, so if you wanna be a Honda boy, I can help you get a running start!
this is actually a good project....the car will be super fast but u are looking into lots of trouble in BC....u are waiting for one VI per month plus tons of tickets....also w/ its super high rpm u will be also thinking about its reliability....u will be spending lots of money to maintain and repair it (as an old car)...

there is actually a EG9 here....93 Civic 4 door w/ everything ITR....if u are interested i can post a link here later....LOL....

back to the topic: alumium frame is not really good upon an accident....(well....the first impact should be able to pass the safety standard but need special shop to repair its frame i think? NSX u must tow on a flat deck....not even dolly coz that will twist/bent the frame....that's how easy it is....)
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Old 09-15-2001, 01:58 AM   #17
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lets go look at that POS electric car. I'm right beside Middlegate Honda, so ring me up if you want to test drive the POS.
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Old 09-15-2001, 06:13 AM   #18
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Default Puff the magic dragon.

What the ****?

You been smoking some BC Golden boy funny cigarettes?

jeez!



Just kidding, what you listed are my complaints about the WRX as well (light, tossable)

But it is a different type of car now. It feels more like a cruiser class escort than a light fighter. But, I just love her now, I guess I just grew up with her? I donno, but Im really loving the feel.

And no way am I ever gonna think about getting an Insight, not that there is anything wrong with it, Im sure its a great car. Just not my style, and not a style of many others as well. To me, it seems just like a fad car. Thats just my opinion. Dont do anything your gonna regret Joe.

+ the Insight isn't gonna help you in the hunt for the opposite sex
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Old 09-15-2001, 02:45 PM   #19
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+ the Insight isn't gonna help you in the hunt for the opposite sex
yeah, unless you're looking for a hairy, granola eatin', patuli oil smellin', birkenstock wearing nature girl.

Joe, wait until winter rolls round and get to go for a play in the snow in your car. Then deside if you still want an insight.

or

I am pretty sure *someone* here in vancouver will be willing to trade their GC8 for your wrx. we are good people that way

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Old 09-15-2001, 04:03 PM   #20
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nah, just take out the EJ20, the drivetrain, the seats and everything, donate them to sunny, and you'll have a pretty light car right there
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Old 09-15-2001, 04:06 PM   #21
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nah, just take out the EJ20, the drivetrain, the seats and everything, donate them to sunny, and you'll have a pretty light car right there
You mean the sunny with the WRX badge? Right??
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Old 09-15-2001, 04:14 PM   #22
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either that, or when the rest of us go up to the north shore mountains or Whistler in the winter. Then you'll really regret selling your WRX!

LaterZ!
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Old 09-15-2001, 05:19 PM   #23
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Lightbulb keep the rex....

I say keep the REX and build an electric track car. Think of the instant torque and limitless computer controlled drivetrain possibilities PM me if you are interested...

Hey, you were pretty close behind Peter and I at the last auto-x... plus, I thought the WRX was cleanin' up in G-Stock?!?!

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Old 09-15-2001, 05:38 PM   #24
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You mean the sunny with the WRX badge? Right??
RAISES eyebrow....
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Old 09-15-2001, 06:13 PM   #25
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I miss the lightweight tossability of the GC8. I miss being able to bust a U-turn in a 2-lane road without backing up.

In favor of the Insight:
- Smallest damn car you can get these days
- Geek cool, new challenges and interesting things to do...

Joe, get a Geo Metro.. only cost 1/4 of what the WRX costs, and u can do all the U-turns u want!!
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