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Old 06-11-2012, 09:03 PM   #2451
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I've had amsoil severe gear in the car for just under the 1000 miles. I put 4 qts in the trans, I figure not being pressurized more than the 3.8 won't matter - in fact, I'd like to add a 1/2 qt more. That's part of the question, as to whether or not it's a benefit to add a little extra, though the main question is if it's ok adding fresh oil to oil that's been in the trans for ~800 miles.


I would NOT do that!!!!

The 5mt holds 3.7qt on a DRY fill......there is no way you got all the old lube out....and that means you likely have almost 4.5qt in it NOW

the 5mt likes being a BIT over-filled...but you are already WAY past THAT
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:19 PM   #2452
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I did let it drain for hours, but I trust you. I'll return the extra qt, my wallet thanks you ha
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:21 PM   #2453
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I better not tell you about the 1 1/2 qts I put in the diff lol though I drained that thoroughly with both axles and bolts off
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:20 PM   #2454
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I would NOT do that!!!!

The 5mt holds 3.7qt on a DRY fill......there is no way you got all the old lube out....and that means you likely have almost 4.5qt in it NOW

the 5mt likes being a BIT over-filled...but you are already WAY past THAT
why is that? i would have thought the more "submerged" the gears are the better - but i know very little of how gearboxes work so...
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:03 AM   #2455
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overfilling can cause the fluid to foam up in the trans and the rear end....this is bad for several reasons...the main one being foam wont lubricate properly....it also accelerates oxidation of the fluid among other things

WAY OVERFILLING IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.....and this is just ridiculous
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:47 AM   #2456
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drain a quart of the motul and put a quart of the HEAVYWEIGHT shockproof in and see if it gets better
thanks for this scotty. gearbox feels much better now, no grinding into 4th
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:22 AM   #2457
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thanks for this scotty. gearbox feels much better now, no grinding into 4th


dont listen to that uncle scotty guy....he dont know NUFFIN
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:41 AM   #2458
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dont listen to that uncle scotty guy....he dont know NUFFIN
i know right?

no crunching into first gear anymore either!


if i can't ever get my hands on the pennzoil synchromesh, is there an alternative to it on the market i could use (amsoil make something labelled synchromesh) or failing that, a cocktail you could recommend that doesn't have the synchromesh?

if i can't get my mits on it and the amsoil stuff is rubbish, i was thinking of doing a 1qt heavyweight, 1qt hypoy and the rest with gear 300, but if you recommend something else i'll stick with that.

even just the 1qt heavyweight/2.5qt gear 300 is great.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:23 AM   #2459
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if i can't ever get my hands on the pennzoil synchromesh, is there an alternative to it on the market i could use (amsoil make something labelled synchromesh) or failing that, a cocktail you could recommend that doesn't have the synchromesh?
Consider using Redline 75W90 NS as a replacment for the Penn Synchromesh.

It MUST be the NS version of this fluid (there is a "non" -NS FYI).


I used it as a replacement to the Synchromesh (which isn't available in my country). Has similar properties (in terms additives, or lack thereof) compared to the Synchromesh.

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after some research, it has been found that the lightweight shockproof 'wears out' FAR more rapidly than the heavyweight shockproof.....and there is no real reason to use the lightweight......so I dont

Fair enough.

But what about the effective viscosity of the heavyweight? Doesn't RL say tha the Hweight Shockproof is something like an 80W140 gear oil or something like that? Seems rather thick...and in my layman's perspective, isn't thick a bad thing for notchy synchros? Or am I off my rocker?

IIRC, the Superlight and Lightweight Shockproof still fall in the *w90 range?



That said, I've had good experience with both Superlight AND Lightweight in the mix (I actually favour the Superlight). Keep in mind my daily temps are around 35-37 deg CELCIUS (not sure if this affects anything).

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Old 06-18-2012, 11:09 AM   #2460
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Where do you guys find redline gear oil??????
I've called around to like 10 stores and no one has it.

or motul.......
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:23 AM   #2461
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Where do you guys find redline gear oil??????
I've called around to like 10 stores and no one has it.

or motul.......
Amazon.com: Red Line 58204 Heavy ShockProof Gear Oil - 1 Quart: AutomotiveAmazon.com: Red Line 58204 Heavy ShockProof Gear Oil - 1 Quart: Automotive

With PRIME, free two days hipping.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:32 PM   #2462
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Thanks. I know I could have ordered it, but I wanted to purchase some today while I have a chance. No where within a reasonable driving distance carries it.

Instead, I might go with 1 qt. of synchromesh, and the remaining 2.7 quarts HypoyC (3.7 quarts total for 5mt?). I could go buy that today and have it done tomorrow.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:31 PM   #2463
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Where do you guys find redline gear oil??????
I've called around to like 10 stores and no one has it.

or motul.......
ebay
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:55 PM   #2464
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Drove 20 min for HypoyC and all they have is 85-140 -_-

They do have some warren brand gear oil though. Any thoughts on that stuff anyone?

Stores have nothing around here
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Old 06-18-2012, 04:34 PM   #2465
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I believe that grimmspeed has a package deal with everything needed.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:59 PM   #2466
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I believe that grimmspeed has a package deal with everything needed.
for the old cocktail yes.


but for us international customers getting our mits on this stuff isn't so easy. i can find NOWHERE in australia with the pennzoil and i can't find an online retailer i can get it from either. i can only find the amsoil synchromesh - no idea if that's any good as an alternative or not.

i can however get heavyweight shockproof and an alternative brand of hypoy.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:43 PM   #2467
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It's hysterical. When you go to Amazon and select one of the three components it says "Frequently Bought Together":

This item: Synchromesh Manual Transmission Fluid, quart (3501) by Pennzoil $9.99
Castrol - Hypoy C Gear Oil, quart (12609) by Castrol $9.99
Red Line 58404 Lightweight Shockproof Gear Oil by Red Line $14.99

Looks like Amazon has an inadvertent package already.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:26 PM   #2468
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i know right?

no crunching into first gear anymore either!


if i can't ever get my hands on the pennzoil synchromesh, is there an alternative to it on the market i could use (amsoil make something labelled synchromesh) or failing that, a cocktail you could recommend that doesn't have the synchromesh?

if i can't get my mits on it and the amsoil stuff is rubbish, i was thinking of doing a 1qt heavyweight, 1qt hypoy and the rest with gear 300, but if you recommend something else i'll stick with that.

even just the 1qt heavyweight/2.5qt gear 300 is great.
.........^^^^^^
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:29 PM   #2469
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Consider using Redline 75W90 NS as a replacment for the Penn Synchromesh.

It MUST be the NS version of this fluid (there is a "non" -NS FYI).


N0 - N0 -N0!!!!!

NOT



But what about the effective viscosity of the heavyweight? Doesn't RL say tha the Hweight Shockproof is something like an 80W140 gear oil or something like that? Seems rather thick...and in my layman's perspective, isn't thick a bad thing for notchy synchros? Or am I off my rocker?

See ABOVE...do NOT post unless YOU KNOW what it is ...and the above is WRONG


That said, I've had good experience with both Superlight AND Lightweight in the mix (I actually favour the Superlight). Keep in mind my daily temps are around 35-37 deg CELCIUS (not sure if this affects anything).
there is no reason in any galaxy this side of the universe to use the superlight shockproof in anything that says subaru on it!!!!!!!1
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:37 PM   #2470
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thanks mate. i'll keep it in mind
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why is that? i would have thought the more "submerged" the gears are the better - but i know very little of how gearboxes work so...
5 spd gearsets use the "splash" method. As hlh of the gears are basically submerged (3.7qts) as the gear spins, the teeth pick up the fluid and splash it around inside the transmission. That is how everything gets lubricated. And Subaru Extra S in the transmission and read diff FTMFW. Mixing oils
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I just bought a 02 WRX with 105k on it, as noted in above replys, first gear is a bit of a pain to get into and reverse is worse. The dealer replaced the fluids when it came in (less than 200 miles ago). I found the grimmspeed cocktail, is that one to try out? I'm new to subaru's. And I've been reading on this forum and others that the cocktail can have negative effects instead of positive. I've been told by my cousin (who works on Subaru's) that the cocktail is the best for the 5 speed trannys. I'm just really apprehensive about trying it out. Any suggestions?

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Old 06-20-2012, 12:44 PM   #2473
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I just bought a 02 WRX with 105k on it, as noted in above replys, first gear is a bit of a pain to get into and reverse is worse. The dealer replaced the fluids when it came in (less than 200 miles ago). I found the grimmspeed cocktail, is that one to try out? I'm new to subaru's. And I've been reading on this forum and others that the cocktail can have negative effects instead of positive. I've been told by my cousin (who works on Subaru's) that the cocktail is the best for the 5 speed trannys. I'm just really apprehensive about trying it out. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:30 PM   #2474
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there is no reason in any galaxy this side of the universe to use the superlight shockproof in anything that says subaru on it!!!!!!!1

Well bub, keep in mind I do NOT live in the US.

The alternative with the RL 75W90NS fluid was arrived at based on what was available locally, since I had severe gear grind during shifts, and my '02 wrx was my only means of transport at the time. I needed a quick solution, and the SUperlight and NS were the only fluids available in my country (aside from 80W90 Hypoy C). Shipping in fluids would have taken me about 4 weeks, plus another 2 weeks to clear customs.


And the mix worked flawlessly.


I'm not saying it's right - I'm saying it worked for ME, given my constraints.


/fin.




(P.S. I ended up taking part in an Extra-S group buy, so that's what replaced the mixture for long term use).

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Old 06-20-2012, 01:40 PM   #2475
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Lol Thanks for the reassurance. Any suggestions on diff oil?
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