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Old 01-16-2006, 04:54 AM   #1
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Currently own a 05 wrx just wondering if upgrading to a 04 sti steering rack would i see any improvement?? JUst comparing between this two cant afford the rev lab one . Thank
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Old 01-16-2006, 09:55 AM   #2
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I have an 06 WRX which iirc has the STi steering rack

Dunno how much $$$$ but the steering is very precise in my car - is it the 17's ?? dunno
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Old 01-16-2006, 10:35 AM   #3
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If you want to go to a 04 sti rack from your 05 wrx rack, you'll need to change crossmembers as well - the mounting points are different.

The newer mount is much better, though, so you probably wouldn't see the difference you think you would.
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Old 01-16-2006, 10:48 AM   #4
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crossmembers Mmm sorry not really very technical . Do i need to get that from dealers ?
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Old 01-16-2006, 10:51 AM   #5
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You're really going to want to try and do the 05 rack so you don't have to change out the front subframe. The front subframe is going to be a lot of work just to backdate to the old mounting system.
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Old 01-16-2006, 11:02 AM   #6
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.....the quicker ratio in the '06 is compared to the '02 I had.......and the steering wheel is better, too....I did NOT like that poo MOMO wheel
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Old 01-16-2006, 11:30 AM   #7
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So u saying i still can do a direct bolt on just that, thats alot of **** i need to dismantle in order to bolt right in. Am I correct to say that.


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You're really going to want to try and do the 05 rack so you don't have to change out the front subframe. The front subframe is going to be a lot of work just to backdate to the old mounting system.
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Old 01-16-2006, 12:32 PM   #8
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So u saying i still can do a direct bolt on just that, thats alot of **** i need to dismantle in order to bolt right in. Am I correct to say that.
That is my understanding, but having never personally done that swap I can't give you all the ins and outs of what you are going to run into.
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Old 01-16-2006, 12:46 PM   #9
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I have an 06 WRX which iirc has the STi steering rack

Dunno how much $$$$ but the steering is very precise in my car - is it the 17's ?? dunno
Nope, you don't have the STi rack. Almost, but not quite
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Old 01-16-2006, 01:05 PM   #10
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how much would it cost to have an STi rack put into my 02 wrx? (sorry about the hijack)
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Old 01-16-2006, 02:40 PM   #11
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My 05 WRX wagon's steering felt identical to a friend's 05 STi steering when autoxing them on the same day/ same course. No value to changing the rack.

Also, my 05 WRX steering was a lot better than my 04 STi's steering - even after upgrading the STi's bushings.
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Old 01-16-2006, 02:55 PM   #12
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just ebay a steering rack shortener, my three friends and i have rs turbos, we all did it. $107 to our door. shortened the rack to 2 turns lock to lock left or right. sooo sweet for aytocross rally cross or any driving condition. will increase the weight on the steering wheel and does put more stress on the pump, but hey it was well worth it and i hate driving a car without one now. i will try and get that link for you, very simple took three hours to cut and weld into steering rack. if you know how to weld dead easy, if you dont, it wont take but an hour of shoptime at a race shop or any person that can weld worth a s**t.
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Old 01-16-2006, 03:45 PM   #13
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I'd be buying a custom short rack before I did an '05 swap. I've got an '05 STi and wish I had something closer to an EVO or even shorter.
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:00 PM   #14
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have a Crucial Racing rack (steering quickener) and I couldn't go back to stock. I'm about to change out the steering wheel to make the steering even "heavier".

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Old 01-16-2006, 04:55 PM   #15
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.....the quicker ratio in the '06 is compared to the '02 I had.......and the steering wheel is better, too....I did NOT like that poo MOMO wheel
Isn't your current wheel a MOMO wheel?
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My 05 WRX wagon's steering felt identical to a friend's 05 STi steering when autoxing them on the same day/ same course. No value to changing the rack.

Also, my 05 WRX steering was a lot better than my 04 STi's steering - even after upgrading the STi's bushings.
I'll go the other way. If it feels identical, then you are not sensitive enough. The STi rack is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than your 05 WRX rack and in my opinion, feels extremely different. Its also common known around here as a GREAT upgrade.

And to the guy asking about his 02 swap. Only an 04 rack will be a direct bolt in. Good luck finding one...but if you do, expect a used one to be $250+
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Old 01-17-2006, 01:53 AM   #17
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Isn't your current wheel a MOMO wheel?

...dunno......it is not embossed as such, like the '02 wheel was.....and the '06 3-spoke is SOOOOOOoooooooo much better...as is the faster rack

the slow steering in the earlier wrx's was a REAL-REAL bad idea
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:45 AM   #18
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Well, I've only FTPAXed at a bunch of autoxes, FTD'd at a bunch of rallycrosses, done several track days, etc. with various cars, so what do I know?

Trust me, if there was a significant difference, I would've felt it.

There's a HUGE difference between the 02 WRX steering rack and the 05 WRX steering rack, but no noticeable difference between the 05 WRX and 05 STi rack. I have a 2000 2.5RS, which pretty much feels like an 02 WRX as far as steering goes. It's nowhere near the 05 WRX/STi rack.

As I've told others before, compared to my 04 STi, the only thing I miss about my 05 WRX wagon is the steering rack.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:58 AM   #19
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While the jump from 16.5:1 to 15:1 isn't huge- I think it is well worth looking into.

We had a thread awhile ago about a "magical" 13:1 LHD subaru rack, but I'm guessing as it was "magical" it disappeared
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Well, I've only FTPAXed at a bunch of autoxes, FTD'd at a bunch of rallycrosses, done several track days, etc. with various cars, so what do I know?

Trust me, if there was a significant difference, I would've felt it.

There's a HUGE difference between the 02 WRX steering rack and the 05 WRX steering rack, but no noticeable difference between the 05 WRX and 05 STi rack. I have a 2000 2.5RS, which pretty much feels like an 02 WRX as far as steering goes. It's nowhere near the 05 WRX/STi rack.

As I've told others before, compared to my 04 STi, the only thing I miss about my 05 WRX wagon is the steering rack.
No, there is and you didn't...

You can have as much experience as you want. Of course the hard mount from 02 to 05 helped the 05 a ton, no doubt it feels better. But you're saying you can't feel the extra SPEED of the rack. I can tell you, ITS VERY EASY to feel the quicker STi ratio, and I'm amazed you couldn't feel it. Everyone else can....

If you think the steering in an 05 WRX feels the same as the steering in an 05 STi, I'll say it again, you are missing some sensitivity...

I think you are confusing steering FEEL with SPEED. Two completetly different things, and to say that an older WRX does not benefit from added SPEED is wrong.

An 05 STi with both the faster rack, and the added feel from the hard mount is absolutely better than an 05 WRX.

Its just stupid to tell people that a faster rack in their car will offer no advantage....it makes a huge difference. Feel is the same, speed is NOT

Sorry you can't feel a 10% increase in the ratio....thats a shame...because its NICE.

You think your driving experience would have allowed you to perceive that 10%, like EVERYONE else can that tries it....

So, I'll give the guy advice that EVERYONE(well, except you) can feel the faster STi rack swapped into say an 02 or 03. and will tell him to go ahead and do it. Gotta play the odds...

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Well, maybe they put the wrong rack on my 05 WRX wagon, because the lock-to-lock was the same number of turns as it is on an 05 STi. Isn't that what defines the quickness?

The mount isn't the only difference between the 02 and 05. With the 02 you have to move your hands around a lot in semi-tight slaloms - with the 05 you just leave your hands at 9 and 3 and turn - just like in an 05 STi. Have you actually driven an 02 and an 05 back-to-back and experienced it firsthand, or are you just quoting the Intardnet?

So if the mounting system is the same, and the same amount of input is required for the same turns with the 05 WRX wagon I had and the 05 STi my friend has, what is the difference??? If I'm really missing something, please enlighten me.

Go drive an 05 FXT and an 06 FXT - can you feel the difference in the steering? I can.

I can even tell when I have 1mm of toe-in or toe-out on a rear wheel, and can tell you which wheel is off.

But I can't tell a difference between the 05 WRX and STi steering. Yeah, maybe I'm just not sensitive enough.

You win. I'm through with this argument - it's already wasted too much of my time.
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So, I'll give the guy advice that EVERYONE(well, except you) can feel the faster STi rack swapped into say an 02 or 03. and will tell him to go ahead and do it. Gotta play the odds...

Wait, one last thing...

Maybe you misunderstood me - I skipped over that part before.

Duh, I think everyone who knows anything knows that any of the STi racks is quicker than the 02 or 03 WRX rack. Even my FXT rack is quicker than that piece of crap. I'm talking about the 05 WRX vs 05 STi rack here. The original poster asked about going from the 05 WRX rack to the 04 STi rack - which no matter what you say is definitely a downgrade, based on my own personal experience with owning and driving both cars on a daily basis.

Now I'm done.
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Wait, one last thing...

Maybe you misunderstood me - I skipped over that part before.

Duh, I think everyone who knows anything knows that any of the STi racks is quicker than the 02 or 03 WRX rack. Even my FXT rack is quicker than that piece of crap. I'm talking about the 05 WRX vs 05 STi rack here. The original poster asked about going from the 05 WRX rack to the 04 STi rack - which no matter what you say is definitely a downgrade, based on my own personal experience with owning and driving both cars on a daily basis.

Now I'm done.
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Well, maybe they put the wrong rack on my 05 WRX wagon, because the lock-to-lock was the same number of turns as it is on an 05 STi. Isn't that what defines the quickness?

So if the mounting system is the same, and the same amount of input is required for the same turns with the 05 WRX wagon I had and the 05 STi my friend has, what is the difference??? If I'm really missing something, please enlighten me.
Here's you enlightenment: I don't care what you can "feel", this is what you HAVE!

2005 STi 15.0:1 lock-to-lock 2.6 turns
2005 WRX 16.5:1 Lock-to-lock: 2.7 turns

^^^Is there a reason you insist that your "feeling" is more accurate than WHAT THE RACK RATIO's ACTUALLY ARE????

Please explaing why this is the 2nd thread you've claimed that your 05 WRX rack is the same an an 05 STi rack, why again and again people show you that the WRX rack is slower and why again and again you keep posting how they are the same...

I'm glad you have all this "feeling" but the bottom line is your friends STi rack is about 10% faster than yours...that is a FACT. Whether you can feel it or not.

You've been enlightened....

not the first time...but I'm sure you'll be on here again telling everyone about your "special" factory 05 WRX steering rack...

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