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Old 01-16-2006, 01:43 PM   #1
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Old 01-16-2006, 09:21 PM   #2
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I'm surprised nobody has commented on the Volvo C30. I quite like it:





Volvo C30 design concept to debut at Detroit show

Göteborg, Sweden - The Volvo C30 Design Concept, a four-seat coupe with a glass tailgate, will make its world debut at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit next week. It is an indication of what the new production Volvo C30 will look like when it is unveiled in Paris in September 2006.

Reminiscent of the Volvo Safety Concept Car introduced in Detroit in 2002, the C30 has angled headlamps, a wide, low grille, contrasting colours, horseshoe-shaped taillight pattern and glass tailgate. Designed for customers who rarely require the rear seat, the C30's luggage space is designed for everyday loads but can accommodate much more cargo when the seats are folded flat. The vehicle uses a 2.4-litre inline five-cylinder turbocharged engine, delivering 260 hp and 258 lb-ft of torque, with a six-speed manual transmission. The package is rounded out with 19-inch aluminum wheels, Pirelli Corsa tires and four-piston Brembo brakes.
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Old 01-16-2006, 11:10 PM   #3
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I like it too. Hopefully it will be priced right.
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Old 01-17-2006, 12:52 AM   #4
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I think it's a homerun for Volvo. I can't figure out how big it is though... if produced would it be based on the Mazda 3 or 6 platform?



Oh yea... BTW, where would Mazda news go? And how about Jag or Aston Martin or any of the other 50 divisions that FoMoCo owns, yet most people would consider to be 'foreign'??
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I think it's a homerun for Volvo. I can't figure out how big it is though... if produced would it be based on the Mazda 3 or 6 platform?



Oh yea... BTW, where would Mazda news go? And how about Jag or Aston Martin or any of the other 50 divisions that FoMoCo owns, yet most people would consider to be 'foreign'??
Mazda has it's own right now... depending on it's activity, I may merge it but time will tell. Jag will no longer be owned by Ford as of next MY so it goes in Other Foreign... Aston is just to hot to have it under Ford right now
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The only thing i dont like about the volvo is the freaking dash. Besides that it is a wonderful exterior design. Once they couple it to AWD and the V5 Turbo, That thing will be pretty fun to drive. From what i understand the thing wont come state side for a while.

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Jag will no longer be owned by Ford as of next MY
Come again?!? When the hell did that happen???????
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Mazda has it's own right now... depending on it's activity, I may merge it but time will tell. Jag will no longer be owned by Ford as of next MY so it goes in Other Foreign... Aston is just to hot to have it under Ford right now
BigElm, is that for sure? I've heard the rumor that Renault is looking to buy Volvo, Jag, or Saab, but I didn't think it was official.

German owned Rolls and French owned Jag.. that will be a bitter day for British auto industry. Oh wait, there is none.
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BigElm, is that for sure? I've heard the rumor that Renault is looking to buy Volvo, Jag, or Saab, but I didn't think it was official.

German owned Rolls and French owned Jag.. that will be a bitter day for British auto industry. Oh wait, there is none.
Here's the link supporting some info about Renault, but it's become more 'official' then just rumors, so the sources say. I know I read it somewhere but can't find the link... too busy to search now... I'm ready to go to sleep.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2005/12/...ar-to-renault/
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That makes sense... now that Jag actually has some competitive products in the works, Ford sells them right before they start making money.

FoMoCo has way the hell too many premium brands to keep them all straight, but selling Jag now seems to be a dumb move that would not be in Ford's favor. Ofcourse they never should have acquired so many of them to begin with and instead invested that money into the core Ford/Lincohn/Mercury and even Mazda divisions - but I shouldn't expect such long-term thinking from American management anyways.
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More/bigger pics of the new Lincoln:



"The elegant MKS concept, revealed Jan. 9 at the Detroit auto show, closely shows the future design direction for Lincoln 's upcoming large sedans. Marketing chief Darryl Hazel said, "With the Lincoln MKS, we're reaffirming what we stand for and signaling our intent to introduce a new generation of consumers to full-size performance luxury in the very near future."



Powered by a 315-hp 4.4-liter all-aluminum V-8 engine - likely the same Yamaha-built engine out of the Volvo XC90 - paired to a six-speed automatic transmission, the MKS delivers power through an active all-wheel-drive system.



The sleek MKS skips the body cladding and trim in favor of a very clean, elegant look, and the big 20-inch wheels - five-spokes done in contrasting polished and vapor-blasted alloy - are a standout feature of the car. Much of the roof real estate is part of the greenhouse; the big panoramic glass Vista Roof is framed by alloy finishing rails, and the same alloy surfaces highlight the roof molding and the dual exhaust tips.



The cabin takes on a look that combines traditional Lincoln elements - like a horizontal shelf going across the instrument panel - with some very upscale appearance with plush Aniline leather, Silvered Birdseye maple and polished alloy trim, and 14-way-adjustable front seats that are heated and cooled and have extendable lower cushions. The instrument cluster is modeled after high-end sports watches, with flush-fit needle hubs and elevated, illuminated "chaplets." Various suede surfaces and open-loop Wind Loom carpeting also lend distinctive touches to the interior.



A new interface, called the Lincoln Mobile Media System, is showcased in the car, which uses an eight-inch LCD screen to control most vehicle functions, including climate control, navigation, audio, telephony, and trip/vehicle information. The system is claimed to be less complicated as it uses rotary controls and limits the use of drop-down menus. The 14-speaker DVD-based surround-sound audio system is Bluetooth compatible, and a passive entry system on the MKS recognizes the driver and adjusts personal settings. The MKS also offers LED-based headlamps, combined with an adaptive lighting system for improved beam quality and visibility around corners.



The MKS offers side and curtain airbags, and the design of the steering column and tailor its rate of collapse to the driver's size and seatbelt use.



Although Ford has made no announcements as to what platform the MKS would be built on, insider information suggests that the MKS is headed to production, will likely replace the competitive but poorly marketed LS sedan (and oddly, bears a passing resemblance to the Lexus LS as well), and will share underpinnings with the Ford Five Hundred, which is built on a platform adapted from the Volvo S80/XC90."
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Some other pictures of the Volvo S80 replacement



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Spännande framtid för Volvo

Snygga C70 visades nyss i Frankfurt och börjar säljas under vintern. Halva produktionen skeppas till USA.

Lilla C30 visas våren 2006 och ska fightas med BMW:s 1-serie och Audi A3.

V70 behöver en ansiktslyftning. Kan komma sent 2006 eller tidigt 2007.

Även XC90 ska uppdateras för att hänga med konkurrenterna. Främsta utmanare nu är Audi Q7 samt den sjusitsiga SUV som BMW planerat.
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:31 PM   #13
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Not sure if Jaguar should go here or in Other Foreign but ohwell. from leftlanenews

Replacement Jaguar S-type should be debuting at Geneva in March

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The new Jaguar S-Type will probably arrive at next year’s Geneva auto show, according to The Car Connection, citing statements made by head designer Ian Callum. He said the new S-Type will be far bolder than the current model, and its various design elements will begin to appear in other concept vehicles released prior to the show, which is still over a year away. Many Jaguar fans believe the R-D6 coupe concept (shown right) will be the basis for the 2007 S-Type’s design. A recent report by AutoBild said the new luxury sedan will be more coupe-like and masculine than the car it replaces. The front will continue to feature four round lights and a large grille. In November, J Mays, vice president of design at Ford, said, “Wait until you see the next S-Type. It will express Jaguar’s daring design spirit again.”
I've heard mixed information on this car, some saying it will be all aluminum like the XJ and other later reports saying a mix steel body aluminum structure setup had been adpoted. I'm not sure how the latter would work.
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That new S-type concept is hot hot hot!
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You can leave Jags here for now. When they get sold to Renault, then I'll change it

BTW, beautiful S-Type!!!
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I've seen rumors too that Renault was going to buy Jaguar but then Ford responded that the company was not for sale and gave Jaguar some more money...
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/12/23/j...ion-from-ford/
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/12/12/j...-not-for-sale/
Also remember that the picture is of the RD-6 concept and may not look a lot like the S-type. That side opening rear hatch is one thing that probably won't happen. I do think headlights, grill, side vent and maybe the roofline should be on the production car or whatever appears at Geneva.
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Ford restructuring may end minivans (USA Today)

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DETROIT — In an attempt to exit unprofitable and flagging markets, Ford Motor (F) is expected to say Monday that it will get out of the minivan segment, according to two sources familiar with the plan who didn't want their names used ahead of the official announcement.

Ford will lay out an overall restructuring plan that will include plant closures, layoffs and executive departures Monday when it announces fourth-quarter earnings.

Ford spokesman Jon Harmon would not confirm a minivan announcement, but he said the restructuring plan includes some changes in the company's product lineup.

The automaker is expected to post a profit for the year but lose money in North America. Through the first three quarters, Ford lost $1.34 billion in North America.

Ford's minivans have been weak performers in a crowded segment. Last year, Ford Freestar sales were down 25.1% from 2004, and Mercury Monterey sales were off 53.1%, according to Autodata. Freestar, formerly known as Windstar, was remodeled for the 2004 model year.

If Ford quits making minivans, "What they're essentially saying is, if you can't be No. 1 or 2 in a segment, then it's not worth being there," says David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research.

"We have to pick and choose where we want to compete," Mark Fields, Ford's executive vice president and president of the Americas, said in an interview last week. "The idea you have to be in all the segments, that's an old way of thinking."

Ford already has announced that new products will be going into the plant where it currently makes the Freestar and Monterey minivans. The company announced earlier this month that it will add the new Ford Edge and Lincoln MKX crossover vehicles to the Oakville, Ontario, plant, starting production in October.

Ford also is considering building a vehicle similar to a Ford Fairlane concept shown at auto shows last year. That had three rows of seating but looked more like a tall station wagon than a minivan.

Crossovers are the hot new segment in the auto industry. Built on car platforms and engineered with SUV-like functionality, crossover sales hit more than 2 million last year, up from zero in 1995.

General Motors also might be thinking about leaving the minivan market. It is closing its Doraville, Ga., plant that makes its minivans sometime in 2008.

The automaker is still trying to figure out what kind of vehicle should replace them, spokesman Tom Wilkinson said. "The reality is, we're looking at a lot of alternatives for people carriers," he said.
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Pretty pathetic if Ford gets out of the minivan business all together. I mean now a days even Hyundia and Ford's own Mazda have minivans. Sad when a company the size of FoMoCo has to literally drop out of car segments cuz it can't be bothered to design and build competitive products.
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Pretty pathetic if Ford gets out of the minivan business all together. I mean now a days even Hyundia and Ford's own Mazda have minivans. Sad when a company the size of FoMoCo has to literally drop out of car segments cuz it can't be bothered to design and build competitive products.
Actually, I think it's just the opposite. it's a market that hase become competitive, crowded, and with deminishing returns. Why compete in a market that even if you win, it doesn't make much money, Expecially if you have a subsudary that is doing well already and all you will do is steal some of their sales.
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Actually, I think it's just the opposite. it's a market that hase become competitive, crowded, and with deminishing returns. Why compete in a market that even if you win, it doesn't make much money, Expecially if you have a subsudary that is doing well already and all you will do is steal some of their sales.
ALL segments in the car biz are competitive, crowded, and have deminishing returns... it's called competition. And the ones that don't adapt and aren't willing to compete will get eaten alive.
If FoMoCo isn't willing to spend the money and be competitive, then they obviously aren't going to be profitable. Why compete in any segment of the car business if they aren't going to get huge profit margins and gaurenteed sales?? Just give up the roost and focus all your energy on picksup.... oh wait... Ford already tried doing that strategy and that is why they are in the mess that they are in now.

Being in the minivan game is the same reason that they should and need to be in the (low profit) small car game - to attract buyers. It is a proven fact that people tend to repeatedly buy the same brands of cars throughout their lives. They pull out of the small car game or minivan game and they are potentially losing a customer for life.

Chances are that the soccermom that bought a Honda Odyssey, will buy an Accord or some kind of Acura when the kids have grown up and she wants something a little more fun.
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This is exactly the problem that Ford faces and is totaly screwing themselves up:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/blog/?p=259
Basically the new Mazda CX-7 cross-over does NOT share the same platform as the new Ford Edge and Lincohn MKX even though they freely admit that the 3 vehicles are within fractions of an inch from eachother. W T F? Ford gave Mazda a ton of money to give the CX-7 it's own unique platform, but isn't willing to do the same with any of it's domestic divisions - hell, Mercury doesn't even get a version of their own, and even the Lincohn version has to share many body panels with the Edge, yet Mazda gets an entirely unique platform and sheet metal.

It is crappy decisions like this that force Ford to cut-corners when redesigning their minivans and thus limit their competitiveness and result in them pulling out of entire segments of the business.
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But ford isn't pulling out of the Market, they are just leaving it up to a subsidary.

Does Acura have a Minivan? How about Lexus?

Different Market segments, but the same idea. Why build a vehicle for a niche when you already do somewhere else. Your own sales will be hurt by it.
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But ford isn't pulling out of the Market, they are just leaving it up to a subsidary.

Does Acura have a Minivan? How about Lexus?

Different Market segments, but the same idea. Why build a vehicle for a niche when you already do somewhere else. Your own sales will be hurt by it.
It is not the same thing at all, dude. It is the exact opposite actually.

Acura and Lexus are much smaller divisions (thus not full-line)... but they have their much larger parent company to take care of the minivan market. Ford is the BIG company and Mazda is the much, much smaller division - so logic would conclude that Ford should have the full-line of vehciles including minivans.... but they are pulling the opposite move and giving Mazda more unique platforms for itself (including the Miata and RX8 and this new CX7), while Ford/Lincohn/Mercury have to live with hand-me-downs. It really is a total flip-flop that speaks volumes for why FoMoCo is in such bad shape.

THe way that FoMoCo is run now, you would almost think that they want their detroit divisions to fail.
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