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Old 01-16-2006, 12:53 PM   #1
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:43 AM   #2
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With the upcoming Coupe, RX8 revision, and other HP models..this may be an active thread.
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Old 01-17-2006, 02:34 PM   #3
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I want news about a MazdaSpeed 3. It had better have a turbo 2.3.
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Old 01-17-2006, 05:23 PM   #4
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I want news about a MazdaSpeed 3. It had better have a turbo 2.3.

Another good question is what will the new Mazdaspeed Miata have?
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Old 01-17-2006, 05:43 PM   #5
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All I can say is the mazdaspeed 6 is pretty sweet. The looks are better, the power is phenomenal, and it might actually be a car I'd like to try out. Gonna have to take one for a test drive. Luckily my uncle works at a dealership. What do you guys think of this beast?
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Old 01-17-2006, 05:57 PM   #6
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I want news about a MazdaSpeed 3. It had better have a turbo 2.3.
It will use the same turbo 2.3 but detuned from MS6's 274 hp, current rumor puts it with about 220-230... BTW, the new Mazda CX-7 has the same engine rated at 244 hp/258 lb-ft. Maybe there will be some aftermarket support for the Mazda 2.3 with all the new cars using this engine. From all indications the MazdaSpeed3 will be FWD only so it might have some traction problem like the SRT-4.
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All I can say is the mazdaspeed 6 is pretty sweet. The looks are better, the power is phenomenal, and it might actually be a car I'd like to try out. Gonna have to take one for a test drive. Luckily my uncle works at a dealership. What do you guys think of this beast?
It's a good competition for the LGT. But like all new models it's going through some teething problem. The MS6 appears to have a very conservative ECU. The owners are reporting a lot of retarded timing and boost cut off issues. Heat soak is also a concern because of the IC placement and the lack of scope-like intake for it. It's very well equipped for the money so it's a tough call between it and the LGT. By most accounts it's about as fast as the LGT but handles slightly better. The LGT has better aftermarket support so it will be much faster with mods.
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I cant wait for new RX-7... should be awesome vehicle..
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im really hoping for an upgraded rx-8. i mean its got the 50/50 weight balance and handles like a dream. all it needs is a tri-rotor and twin turbo to make it like the ol rx-7.
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im really hoping for an upgraded rx-8. i mean its got the 50/50 weight balance and handles like a dream. all it needs is a tri-rotor and twin turbo to make it like the ol rx-7.
And blow up like the ol rx-7? Sorry, I love the old RX-7 as much as anybody, but something like that would single handedly drag Mazda's reliability to the bottom.

I think it's time Mazda let go of the whole rotary thing. As cool as it is in theory, it will never make it. Rotary VS. Piston = Mazda's part time R&D VS. the whole auto industry.
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It's a good competition for the LGT. But like all new models it's going through some teething problem. The MS6 appears to have a very conservative ECU. The owners are reporting a lot of retarded timing and boost cut off issues. Heat soak is also a concern because of the IC placement and the lack of scope-like intake for it. It's very well equipped for the money so it's a tough call between it and the LGT. By most accounts it's about as fast as the LGT but handles slightly better. The LGT has better aftermarket support so it will be much faster with mods.
Everything I have read about the two in comparison put the MS6 at just a hair faster, but the LGT handling much better. The LGT has a much better AWD system, Mazda is using a 100/0 FR/R split until traction is lost.
I sat in both at the Indy car show, they both have outstanding interiors, but the LGT come in cheaper by a few thousand when similarly equipped.
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Everything I have read about the two in comparison put the MS6 at just a hair faster, but the LGT handling much better. The LGT has a much better AWD system, Mazda is using a 100/0 FR/R split until traction is lost.
I sat in both at the Indy car show, they both have outstanding interiors, but the LGT come in cheaper by a few thousand when similarly equipped.
The early reviews from the Aussies is not really all that applicable to the USDM. The Aussie MS6 and LGT are different than what we get here.

The Motor Trend review says:
MS6 GT 0-60: 5.8 1/4: 14.3 60-0: 113' Slalom: 68.1 0.87g
LGT Spec B 0-60: 5.4 1/4: 14.0 60-0: 122' Slalom: 66.5 0.86g

The R&T Speed review says:
MS6 GT 0-60: 6.0 1/4: 14.2 60-0: 122' Slalom: 65.0 0.83g
LGT Spec B 0-60: 5.5 1/4: 14.2 60-0: 136' Slalom: 64.2 0.82g

Of course the Spec B handles better than the regular LGT...

Since the '06 LGT no longer comes with cloth interior it doesn't have an equivalent competition for the MS6 Sport. The MS6 GT with sunroof will have MSRP 2k or so higher than the LGT Limited. But the MS6 has 6 spd, 18" wheels, HID, traction/stability control and etc. And you will have to shell out for a Spec B if want handling closer to the MS6, so it all depends on what's important feature wise to the buyer.
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It will use the same turbo 2.3 but detuned from MS6's 274 hp, current rumor puts it with about 220-230... BTW, the new Mazda CX-7 has the same engine rated at 244 hp/258 lb-ft. Maybe there will be some aftermarket support for the Mazda 2.3 with all the new cars using this engine. From all indications the MazdaSpeed3 will be FWD only so it might have some traction problem like the SRT-4.

This should make for quite a quick car, and one that can be tuned for 300 hp fairly easily.

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And blow up like the ol rx-7? Sorry, I love the old RX-7 as much as anybody, but something like that would single handedly drag Mazda's reliability to the bottom.

I think it's time Mazda let go of the whole rotary thing. As cool as it is in theory, it will never make it. Rotary VS. Piston = Mazda's part time R&D VS. the whole auto industry.


I'm horrified by your opinion. Which "ol" rx-7 are you referring to? I've owned several examples, putting 175,000+ miles on the original motors, and later selling them to friends who went on to put thousands more trouble free miles on them. A well maintained rotary will give you outstanding service.

The only reliability issues that I'm aware of (aside from the very earliest motors, which didn't use cabon-steel for the apex seals) were the 3rd generation cars having issues with heat drying and splitting the vaccum lines serving the complicated twin-turbo system. They didn't blow up, but after time failed to perform properly.

What causes turbo RX-7's to blow up? The same issues that plague WRX's, i.e., too much boost with improper tuning. Does that mean that Subaru should give up on flat-four motors? After all, Subaru is the only company that bothers with them. Does that make it some flat-four vs. inline-four = Subaru's part time R&D vs. the whole auto industry?

Many major manufacturers planned to put the rotary into production. Mazda discovered the key to making them reliable, well after other manufacturers gave up. Mazda then went on to not only realize great commercial success with their rotary powered cars, but to dominate many classes of racing. Mazda is tied to the rotary, and it would be terrible to not have a rotary engined option in the future, as they are a superior design in many aspects.

So do you still think the rotary is a cool theory that will never make it?
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I'm horrified by your opinion. Which "ol" rx-7 are you referring to? I've owned several examples, putting 175,000+ miles on the original motors, and later selling them to friends who went on to put thousands more trouble free miles on them. A well maintained rotary will give you outstanding service.

The only reliability issues that I'm aware of (aside from the very earliest motors, which didn't use cabon-steel for the apex seals) were the 3rd generation cars having issues with heat drying and splitting the vaccum lines serving the complicated twin-turbo system. They didn't blow up, but after time failed to perform properly.

What causes turbo RX-7's to blow up? The same issues that plague WRX's, i.e., too much boost with improper tuning. Does that mean that Subaru should give up on flat-four motors? After all, Subaru is the only company that bothers with them. Does that make it some flat-four vs. inline-four = Subaru's part time R&D vs. the whole auto industry?

Many major manufacturers planned to put the rotary into production. Mazda discovered the key to making them reliable, well after other manufacturers gave up. Mazda then went on to not only realize great commercial success with their rotary powered cars, but to dominate many classes of racing. Mazda is tied to the rotary, and it would be terrible to not have a rotary engined option in the future, as they are a superior design in many aspects.

So do you still think the rotary is a cool theory that will never make it?
I take it that you are pretty emotional about the Rotary technology. I certainly didn't mean to horrify you.

I would just like to point out that the difference between I-4 and H-4 is very minor compared to the difference between conventional piston vs. rotary. Subaru only needs to make minor modifications to the existing technologies in order to apply them to the H-4 engine. (VVt, VVL, and D/I for instance) On the other hand, I just can't think of any existing advanced powertrain technology that can be easily applied to the rotary.

As it stands, RX-8, the only rotary car out there with its 238HP/159TQ N/A engine, gets 18/24 mileage. As far as I understand, its emission is not so spectacular either. Honestly, I would've loved to see Rotary succeeding. But I doubt that a small company like Mazda alone can improve that unique engine to keep up with the rest of the auto industry, especially in the area of mileage and emission.

But I'm only speculating.
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subaru is not the only company that uses boxer engines. porsche uses them too.
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I think of all the recent new car designs I like the Mazda's work the best. The MX-5 Miata, MazdaSpeed6 and CX-7 all look muscular/aggressive in a very understated way. The Kabura concept that was just shown looks like a real winner if Mazda decided to put it into production.
If they put the 2.3 turbo in the MazdaSpeed Miata that thing will have serious potentials.
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DETROIT - Mazda North American Operations today announced that pricing for the CX-7, the company’s all-new crossover SUV, will begin at $23,750 for the front-wheel-drive Sport model. Produced entirely on Mazda-derived platform architecture, the five-seat CX-7 embodies an astute blend of sports car verve and SUV practicality, resulting in a fun-to-drive SUV with Mazda’s trademark “Soul of a Sportscar”.

Matching its sporty appearance, the Mazda CX-7’s performance is powerful and dynamic. All CX-7s will be powered by a turbocharged and intercooled 2.3-liter four-cylinder direct-injection gasoline engine that produces 244-horsepower at 5,000 rpm.

CX-7 is offered in three trim levels – Sport, Touring and Grand Touring. All models include air conditioning, power-windows, -door locks and -mirrors , retractable key, cruise control, and six air bags. Also standard on all CX-7s is an A nti-lock Brake System (ABS), Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) and a Traction Control System (TCS).

Touring editions add leather trim (seats, steering wheel, shift knob ), power adjustment of the driver’s seat, heated front seats and a retractable cargo cover. In top-line Grand Touring trim, CX-7 is equipped with leather with a black sport-seat stripe , high intensity discharge ( HID ) headlamps, fog lamps, body-color mirrors, chrome door handles and automatic interior climate control.

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I think of all the recent new car designs I like the Mazda's work the best. The MX-5 Miata, MazdaSpeed6 and CX-7 all look muscular/aggressive in a very understated way. The Kabura concept that was just shown looks like a real winner if Mazda decided to put it into production.
If they put the 2.3 turbo in the MazdaSpeed Miata that thing will have serious potentials.
I completely agree. Mazda is going down the right path. Even though not all of their new cars have been sales success, they've been doing a great job in creating a very favorable brand image.
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Wow! Really impressed with the new lineup. My uncle had an MPV from way back and it was fugly and underperforming. I must admit the new one looks really good for a minivan!

Love the new Roadsters as well.
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I'm kind of a self described Mazdaphile. Between my wife and I, we've owned half a dozen Mazdas (3 626's, 1 Protege, 1 Tribute, 1 3rd gen RX-7). I just replaced my 2000 626 ES V6 5M and I was looking at the MS6 and the LGT Ltm. In the end, I picked the LGT, but it easily could have gone either way, depending on what my priorities were.

Reason I picked the LGT: Available in wagon format with 5M (2005, was really hard to find in Black this late in the model year), better aftermarket support and knowledge base, interior styling (both are nice really, but the off white with black dash was real classy), and price ($25,300 for the Limited Wagon with 5M).

Things I liked better in the MS6: More luxo items like keyless start and Navi, and exterior styling. The MS6 has a more powerful engine but was slower than the LGT. Also, a simple Access Port mod would easily remedy that problem.

Now that I've owned an AWD car, I will never by FWD ever again.
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