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Old 09-15-2001, 08:18 PM   #1
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Default I have an EJ22, how hard is it to Turbo?

I honestly have no clue on how bad this is going to do and yes I've done alot of searches with too many conflicting messages so I just wanna hear it directly.
I have 63K on my 97 Impreza L 2.2 liter and I'd like to see how hard it will be to turbo it out, I'm pretty sure I'll need to change my heads and get and open deck block? Exhaust, etc.
I don't want anything too crazy, maybe 8-10 psi and I'm hoping to keep it under $2500 if possible.
I'm in New England and I've gotten some tips to have Exeter Subaru do it for me.
I'm tired of N/A tuning and the sad reality that I'll never be able to pass 200 HP without dropping more then I spent on the car in mods So help a brother out!
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Old 09-15-2001, 09:48 PM   #2
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You will not get it done CORRRRRRECTLY for "under $2500"..... SAD to say bro!!
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Old 09-15-2001, 10:13 PM   #3
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For Under $2500 you can "Properly" go up to about 4 or 5 pounds. This is actually a lot for a high compression car and will most likely put you over 200hp. As for fitting, you can use any 2.5RS turbo kit. Even though your exhaust ports are different, the Y pipe collects in the same place and will therefore bolt right up.

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Old 09-16-2001, 09:00 AM   #4
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PM wac on the board. He's had extensive experience in turbo-charging his 2.2

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Old 09-16-2001, 12:37 PM   #5
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Cool more grocery getters from hell...ALRIGHT!

Brys,

the man to talk or PM to is Kevin Thomas. he has a 97 OBS that just plain hauls. he's also running nitrous and drags that thing as often as possible. if it makes you feel better about the 2.2's sturdyness, just know that he races that beast as much as humanly possible and it has proven to be quite durable(as far as i've heard) as for the 2500...well its probably gonna be alittle more that that , but as chad said you dont need some big boost (8-10 lbs is alot for cars that were normaly asperated to begin with) kit. with 4 or 5 lbs of boost you should hit your 200 hp mark.

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Old 09-16-2001, 08:12 PM   #6
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Thanx for the info, I REALLY wanna do this to my poor slow car.
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Old 09-16-2001, 08:34 PM   #7
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Yeah, i would love to hear about all those that have turbo'd their 2.2L. I have a 98 OBS w/ 68K miles on it, and that is next summers goal....to turbo it that is. FYI I have see and heard alot of good things about TRi Tuning's turbo kit...you might want to contact Chris. There in PA, so it is close to you. But in order to do it right (i.e. new clutch, gages, exaust, along with the turbo internals) will run around $4-$6000. i have alot of saving to do.

2.2L turbo owners please post your expereinces with your setup.

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Old 09-16-2001, 08:58 PM   #8
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Chad/Lou: I agree with everything except the bit about making 200hp. I needed 7psi on my 2.2L to get to around that mark. I don't know what the exact number is, but I know that I'm about even with most ~200hp turbo cars on the track, and can easily pull away from the 170/180hp VW/Audi 1.8T's.

Bry: I got your PM. Rather than replying in private, I'll do it here so others can hear my thoughts and opinions:
1. Turbo Kits.
1.a There's no such thing as "not too expensive". The only kit that comes close to meeting this criteria is the JC Sports Group Buy kit. Technically, it's a well-engineered and complete kit for 5 psi, and you should have few issues once you get all the parts, and work out the installation fitment kinks.
The trick is to get someone from the group buy who had the misfortune of dealing with JC Sports for the group buy, and buying a complete kit from him/her.
1.b For any of the other larger RS turbo kits, you'll definitely need plenty of bolt-on gadgets and electronics. Consult any RS-T vendor/customer for the details. And since few of these kits are properly tuned for more than 5 psi, you'll also need plenty of gauges. The price tag easily goes beyond $4K once you add up all the parts to run marginally at 7+ psi. To run "properly", add another $1K+ for fuel injectors and more electronics.
1.c DIY. Sorry, can't help you here. Try reading Corky Bell's book instead, or finding one of the many RS-T guys who did this themselves and ask them questions (like Chad here).

2. Internals.
You can keep everything in the motor stock.

3. Fuel Economy
Expect 20-30 mpg hwy, 15-25 city, 10-15 track. 92 octane or better only.

4. Tuning.
Definitely the most frustrating thing to do if you have no idea where to start. Good thing some computer geek invented the search engine - use it often, and make sure you read every search hit (it'll put hair on your chest). Or pay/bribe/coerce a tuner to do it for you. Most likely, you'll have to resort to aforementioned search engines.

5. L-T/OBS-T Fraternity.
Kevin doesn't have a turbo anymore. Apparently, Sabrelion/Geoff doesn't either. My original OBS-T heros have deserted me! Good thing Lou still has his OBSTi (I hope). Of course, there's Chad. Aspen was working on a so-called 22LM earlier this year. There may be others, but they're either not talking, or I've somehow missed them.

I hope I've scared you off by now - and a $25K WRX looks like a better option than spending $6K+ making an old car run like a WRX. If not, let's talk some more...

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Old 09-16-2001, 10:11 PM   #9
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hey wac,

yeah now that i re-think it 7lbs sounds more correct for 200 hp. i think i was thinking RS

you're right about fallen heros. aw man the OBS-T ppl are dropping like flies. but yes i still do have my OBSTI (perfect name for it BTW!) i gotta take it to the track when i get the chance and see the shock when a non descript subbie wagon starts pulling 13's

i'll tell em its stock except for an intake, exaust, and one of those Tornado filter-chargers providing most of the power
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Old 09-17-2001, 08:28 PM   #10
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F' it then, I'm gonna save for a WRX Wagon, I miss my old wagon way too much. I think I'll just leave it alone, fab some headers and get pulleys and stop tuning a car that doesn't wanna be tuned.
I'm running mid 16's (87 Octane, shifting @ 5.5 rpm) in a car that runs 17.8 stock, so I guess I'm not doing that bad for Home Depot mods and a $200 Exhaust I had custom made.
I haven't gotten to run it with my new intake I finished and the Ram-Air thing I cooked up, I feel more power then before. So I'm going to run it some Saturday and get some numbers and just deal witht he fact I don't have an RS or WRX.
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Old 09-17-2001, 10:18 PM   #11
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Default 22 Lou

I used to take a look at your car every time I stopped by RalliSpec 22 Lou. Really nice setup but I never got to see it finished. I'm sure it'll be a killer!

Bry,
I can't say much because I generally think I just got lucky. I did pretty much beat my engine to death but nothing is wrong with it. I only ran 5psi but ran up to a 70 shot of nitrous (by mistake) without any drama. Just nasty scents from the engine/tranny area. I bought my turbokit for $2200 and had 59k on my car. I have ran over 200 dragstrip runs with the turbo and over 50 with the nitrous (I still have most of my dragstrip tickets/times). No engine problems! All I had was a Jumptronix Air/Fuel Ratio meter and my VDO EGT gauge to protect me. I just figured that if your air/fuel ratio is good (between .75-.92 voltage, preferrably .90), EGT's stay below 1550F, one degree colder spark plugs and 94 octane gas...nothing could go wrong. My EGT's typically stayed between 1250-1400F but I think it was just cooler than what it should've been. My car normally runs this range stock where my EGT probe is so I used that as a gauge.

I'm still 'speeding' around. Just a lot slower. Good luck and try not to be too afraid of modding. If you have any doubts, follow your instincts and don't do it. Good luck!

BTW: Come on down to Atco next week on the 28th (9-28-01). TRI Tuning will be there with their 250 nitrous shot WRX. Nitrous is a nice way to reach your goals, albeit temporarily. I don't recommend it though. It's just another form of crack making you look for a bigger shot.

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