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Old 01-26-2000, 05:57 PM   #1
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Question Turbo clutch?

The clutch in my 2.2Turbo is finally giving up the ghost at 133,000miles. What have you been using for replacements? I am leaning towards the RPS (http://www.turboclutch.com/lobby.htm) or maybe perhaps Primative Enterprises (http://www.writerguy.com/primitive/)

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Old 01-26-2000, 07:32 PM   #2
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I'm using Broward Clutch. It's twin disc clutch and it's not expensive. First I want Centerforce, they're asking for $550+throwout baring. I think it's too much. Clutch Master is more. One Clutch I like to try is Exedy, it's around $650-700 include thrown-out baring. For the turbo clutch, I called them before, they said they don't make our clutch, so I don't know. Last month, I drive my friend RS Minnam stage II with ACT, it's feel really good.
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Old 01-27-2000, 02:22 AM   #3
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I've heard some good things about the Primitive and the ACT from Turbo Impreza guys although I believe SteveS said he has a bit of clutch chatter with the Primitive 4-puck but it was getting better the more he drove it. There's also the STi's which are better then stock but still sympathetic on your drive line. Pete, since you'd have to get your flywheel turned, any thoughts of just putting a lightweight one in? BTW, for you turbo guys, there is a 1st generation Turbo/Group A Legacy web site SLOWLY on it's way.

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Old 01-28-2000, 05:54 PM   #4
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Oooff, I just found out the price for the throw-out bearing, $92 form SubaruParts, ouch! Lightened flywheel? I don't think so, not for this one as it's my every day car. What is it with all of these ungodly high clutch prices? I am going to use the Primative clutch disk with a new Subaru pressure plate from SubaruParts for $77.25. Paul Ekland says it will have no problems coping with my anticipated 240hp goal. Not looking forward to the installation though.........

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Old 01-28-2000, 07:43 PM   #5
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$92 is cheap. That time I called local dealer, they priced me for $150 or more, I forgot. I also asked for replacement clucth, with throw-out baring an pressure plate, it's $450. So That's why I bought the aftermaket one. It's a little more money, you get a better one. For the primitive, I don't think you will like for daily day use, though. I think it's really heavy. I don't know. that's my opinion.
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Old 01-28-2000, 08:37 PM   #6
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For $236.96 (+ ship) you can get the stock Turbo: clutch disk/pressure plate/throw-out bearing from: Subarupart.com, check it out yourself. http://206.191.134.1/acatalog/Online...Parts_268.html

As far as my daily commutes, I travel 100miles total every day to and from work, But - I only have to deal with 6 stop signs TOTAL, the rest are all highway miles, 70 of which are Interstate. So for me a little bit of clutch chatter on engagement isn't an issue as long as it doesn't slip. Actually, the stock clutch setup chattered pretty bad anyway.........

Does anybody know how the copper disk will wear?
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Old 01-30-2000, 03:59 PM   #7
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We just installed the "street" ACT clutch kit in Dobes's MY98 2.5RS. He's heavily into auto-x and he thought he had shagged the stock clutch pretty badly. When we got talking about replacements we told him that we had heard good things about the ACT unit when paired with that heavy duty Prelude pressure plate. Who told us? Some techs we know at SOA... seems SOA has tested most of the aftermarket units available in the North American market.

Some observations:
1) The stock Valeo friction plate still had some life in it. This is typical of the MY98 2.5RS as it seems to suffer from a weak pressure plate.
2) The ACT unit we installed was labeled "Legacy Turbo".
3) The ACT modified Prelude pressure plate makes for a stiff pedal. The downside seemed to be some vague feel in the lower portion of the stroke.
4) Engagement is smooth and stutter-free, unlike the 4-puck Primitive unit we put in SteveS's car, but it still handles full throttle shifts solidly and without complaint (or clutch smell like on the MY99 2.5RS).
5) It works... Jeff was running at the top of his class at today's winter auto-x in Camden, NJ.

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Old 01-30-2000, 05:38 PM   #8
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So, how much does the ACT cost? It's in the $500 range isn't it? That is a bit more than I can spend. My first choice would be the RPS unit, from what I heard these are simple awesome and virtually indestructable. But at $129 for the Primitive 4-puck coupled with an OEM pressure plate for $77.25 which will hold the 240 or so hp I am shooting for I can live with a little chatter, hell, I have been living with a little chatter!

Thanks for the input :-) Any news on the Turbo 2.2 downpipes for us Legacy owners?

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Old 01-31-2000, 08:17 AM   #9
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I have ridden in my brothers (SteveS) 2.5RS many times since the PE clutch went in. It is very grabby, chattery, but it holds the power very well.

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Old 01-31-2000, 11:12 AM   #10
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Senior-Shik is scheduled for the 22nd of Feb. We had been playing hard to get for too long Anyway, we'll be putting in a stainless steel downpipe and the rest of the exhaust will be aluminized. The silencer will be the ever-present (don't-touch-me-I-bite) Apex'i N1. I suspect we'll have the car for a few days so we'll take pics and post observations... should be good practice for the MY02 EJ20 turbo unit....
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Old 02-03-2000, 04:23 PM   #11
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Cool, Thanks everyone for the information, much appreciated!

Keep us informed on the Turbo downpipe. Given a choice with my new-found information, coated mild steel in the 2.5 - 3" range would be my choice. It seems the coated steel will probably hold up longer than a stainless version for less money to boot :-)

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Old 02-04-2000, 02:47 AM   #12
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To be honest, and this is only my experience, I've had both types of tubing on different cars and I can't remember having a problem with either one, even through our central PA winters where the road crews would rather dump salt on the roads then plow them The stainless I had for a few years and it held up fantastic, and the coated steel pipe is on my GL-10 turbo sedan and it to is holding up decent so I don't have a problem with either one. I read the "metal properties" post on exhausts as well but I usually don't keep my cars for 10 or 15 years and I don't think I'll have a problem with either one before then but who knows.

Being that RalliSpec buys so much stainless for their cat-backs, the price for buying a small amount of steel tubing probably wasn't all that much cheaper. It will look nice when you open the hood if nothing else
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