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Old 01-18-2006, 03:52 PM   #1
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In Chicago they just passed a partial smoking ban (Bars and Resturants have until July 2007). People are complaining up a storm about it. I mean in typical Chicago fashion they do it half assed. and people think it's the end of the world.

How did NY and CA do it on a statewide basis? Was there a huge uproar?
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Old 01-18-2006, 03:53 PM   #2
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I dont think it was a big deal in CA, but it was so long ago I dont really remember. Also, I dont remember it being a big deal in NY either and it happened while I was in school there.
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DC just passed that as well. DC's ban is a total ban, effective in Jan 2007. I believe most of Maryland is non-smoking too.

Everyone complains at first, but then it's no big deal.
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Mass too. There was an uproar, then there was a decrease in sales/business for a short period of time (few months to a year). Then everyone got over it, used to it and business is back up, and better than before now that you can have not only smokers, but non smokers that would have stayed away in the 1st place.


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West V is only in bars or resturants that pull more than 60% from alcohol sales or something crazy like that. BacDoc thinks smokers should smoke 2 at a time to speed up the process.
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Mass too. There was an uproar, then there was a decrease in sales/business for a short period of time (few months to a year). Then everyone got over it, used to it and business is back up, and better than before now that you can have not only smokers, but non smokers that would have stayed away in the 1st place.


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DC businesses can apply for an exemption if they can show a significant decrease in revenues.
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Old 01-18-2006, 03:56 PM   #7
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i think its bull****, we are starting to some of that too here in iowa. Granted i've now quit smoking, but i still think its bull****. People have the choice, smokers and non-smokers alike.
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Old 01-18-2006, 03:57 PM   #8
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i think its bull****, we are starting to some of that too here in iowa. Granted i've now quit smoking, but i still think its bull****. People have the choice, smokers and non-smokers alike.
Please reference the search button. We've got a thread with about 100-200 replies talking about the whole situation from both sides.

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i think its bull****, we are starting to some of that too here in iowa. Granted i've now quit smoking, but i still think its bull****. People have the choice, smokers and non-smokers alike.
Yeah, they have the choice to smoke on the heated patio/deck, or to quit the filthy habit.
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Yeah, they have the choice to smoke on the heated patio/deck, or to quit the filthy habit.

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i think its bull****, we are starting to some of that too here in iowa. Granted i've now quit smoking, but i still think its bull****. People have the choice, smokers and non-smokers alike.
I smoke, and the way I see it, you can go outside if you want to smoke. Its much better non-smoking, you arent coughing like you smoked a pack the night before and all your clothes dont smell of cigarettes.
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Yeah, they have the choice to smoke on the heated patio/deck, or to quit the filthy habit.
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Exactly.
Oddly, I see a lot of smokers that support the ban here. One reason being that I see people try and quit, and they stay off them until the first time they go to a bar/club. Then the smell hits them, and it drives them to start up again.

This will help people quit, and not have to choose between not smoking or going to a bar and getting hooked again.
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One day Vegas may ban smoking. Now that will be awesome.
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In Chicago they just passed a partial smoking ban (Bars and Resturants have until July 2007). People are complaining up a storm about it. I mean in typical Chicago fashion they do it half assed. and people think it's the end of the world.

How did NY and CA do it on a statewide basis? Was there a huge uproar?
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Oddly, I see a lot of smokers that support the ban here. One reason being that I see people try and quit, and they stay off them until the first time they go to a bar/club. Then the smell hits them, and it drives them to start up again.

This will help people quit, and not have to choose between not smoking or going to a bar and getting hooked again.
Yup, I dont mind going outside, I even kinda like it.
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Next on the docket: Take away the ability of business owners to decide if you can drink in their establishment or not.
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Yup, I dont mind going outside, I even kinda like it.

Yeah, I mean think about it. If you quit smoking, how long can you stay off them if you start going to bars again. That seems to be the number one reason why people pick up the habit again.
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One day Vegas may ban smoking. Now that will be awesome.

The thing is in Vegas it doen't bother me as much. Maybe because they have such powerful air exchangers.

Hear the smoke just hangs around and gets stale and nasty.
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I thought it was 2007.

Like I said half assed Chicago politics.
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The thing is in Vegas it doen't bother me as much. Maybe because they have such powerful air exchangers.

Hear the smoke just hangs around and gets stale and nasty.
Casinos tend to have high ceilings, right? It's generally not as bad in clubs, because the ceilings are higher. It's much worse in the smaller places, with like 10 foot ceilings.
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Mass too. There was an uproar, then there was a decrease in sales/business for a short period of time (few months to a year). Then everyone got over it, used to it and business is back up, and better than before now that you can have not only smokers, but non smokers that would have stayed away in the 1st place.
Yup. I don't recall seeing any bad press about it at all, in the past year. All the clubs & restaurants that could have theoretically been negatively affected seem to be doing fine.
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I thought it was 2007.

Like I said half assed Chicago politics.


Thats kinda funny, they banned smoking inside 2 and a half years from now.

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Thats kinda funny, they banned smoking inside 2 and a half years from now.

No, that's common. It gives business owners a chance to remodel or relocate to a new building that can accomodate smokers.
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oh no, i agree with this, but i also disagree with it. smokers have the choice not to go to these bars, but so do non-smokers. Same as smokers have the choice to smoke, or not smoke, simply if people don't like it, they can't tell them to stop, its their right to do this. Now, if the bar states that they don't allow smoking in there, then fine. But the state is declaring no smoking in the bar.

Once again, i agree with alot of you, hell, i can't say much, because i haven't ever really smoked inside, i don't smoke in my car, house, or usually restaraunts where my kids will be with me.
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