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Old 01-19-2006, 11:59 PM   #1
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Default Cobb Stage 1? Is it worth it?

I was looking into adding a little bit of love into my engine, but I have a question.

I was thinking about exhaust and intake first.
Then I thought about the Cobb stage 1.

Key factors, don't want to spend alot of money, still want decent gas milage, don't want to be the guy everyone wants to race.

I'm just looking to blow all of the old people off the line at stop light.
You know what I'm talking about, grandma slams the pedal down when it turns green, but once she reaches 40mph thats all she wrote.

If the stage 1 is a good choice do I need any other mods or will the ecu re mapping work fine??

Remember I'm a noob and I don't work for Collin Mcrae
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:05 AM   #2
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You drive a WRX grandma should be no problem unless she's in a vette and again you drive a WRX every rice boy is going to try and race you.

The Cobb Accessport is designed for the stock intake system only... so no intake unless you want a protune, but that may not work due to most intakes cause turbulence around the maf sensor and cant really be tuned out... Get a Turboback exhaust and an aftermarket uppipe and run stage 2, that will make you cream yourself, until you beg for more power that is.
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:11 AM   #3
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^^^^what he said about stage 2. if you're going for an exhaust anyway, add a DP and go stage 2. i wouldn't spend money on an intake, put that toward and up pipe and you'll be in like flint. i'm on stage 1 + UP now and i can tell a difference over stock. it's not immediate, but it is noticable. if stage 2 is the cat's meow like everyone says, i'm sure it's stellar.
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Old 01-20-2006, 01:56 AM   #4
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If you aren't trying to *race* your car a bit, then why even upgrade to a stage package??

With all due respect, if you're asking about stage 1 with an intake, I would say that you should do a little more reading up on the requirements, and others experience with Cobb's staged maps. For right now, if I were you, I would try some of the simple EM-free mods like an uppipe, intercooler hoses, and an exhaust, just to begin with and free up your engine a bit. These items will only improve your ride and make it that much better for stage 1 when you find out if that is truly the way to go.

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Old 01-20-2006, 02:32 AM   #5
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Cobb stage 1 is worth it in my opinion, plus you will have EM for stage 2 already. Also Cobb has a shorty intake that works with the Access Port.
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:03 AM   #6
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Search the terms "cobb stage 1" in post titles and you'll get about eleventy zillion threads answering your question.
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Old 01-20-2006, 10:37 AM   #7
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if you're thinking about turbo back exhaust, which will run in the area of $1000 for a decent one, I'd reconsider going with a Downpipe and Accessport and just going straight to stage 2. I got a Bosal downpipe, Accessport, and Cobb turbo heat sheild from J-Spec Tuning on here all for $870 shipped to my door step. I haven't installed it yet, but I figured for an extra $270 bucks why wait for stage 2.
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:19 PM   #8
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AP is worth the money and you will feel the difference.
WRX should come with it from the factory.
Get EM first, then go for stage 2 if you want more power.
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:31 PM   #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikevon40
I was looking into adding a little bit of love into my engine, but I have a question.

I was thinking about exhaust and intake first.
Then I thought about the Cobb stage 1.

Key factors, don't want to spend alot of money, still want decent gas milage, don't want to be the guy everyone wants to race.

I'm just looking to blow all of the old people off the line at stop light.
You know what I'm talking about, grandma slams the pedal down when it turns green, but once she reaches 40mph thats all she wrote.

If the stage 1 is a good choice do I need any other mods or will the ecu re mapping work fine??

Remember I'm a noob and I don't work for Collin Mcrae
the majority of people who have loaded cobbs stg 1 have been pretty pleased. there are a few people that haven't noticed any type of change. then there are others that aren't hittin target boost.
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Old 01-20-2006, 03:16 PM   #10
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My gas mileage got a nice bump up after Stage 1 (after I stopped mashing the gas...), so even if you're not racing it, you'll appreciate that, along with the smoother acceleration under partial throttle.
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Old 01-20-2006, 07:00 PM   #11
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yes it is worth every penny specially since you can upgrade down the road via a free down load. I went to cobb stage 1 way back when you actually had to mail them the ECU and haven't looked back. When the AP came out I invested $600 bucks in a used TBE then after that wasn't enough I spent some more money on used VF34 and injectors. Now that's not all that great so I'll probably be going with something else and thank God the protuner came out and I'll be just fine all for the small investment in engine management.
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Old 01-20-2006, 07:25 PM   #12
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I'm a big Cobb fan... I loved Stage 1 and then couldn't believe the diff with Stage 2.

It's really a painless way to get more power and enjoyment from the car - you can make more power with custom tuning, but the Cobb tunes are very good.
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Old 01-20-2006, 07:38 PM   #13
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you know the usual mods most Honda guys like...I/H/E.

keep teh stock intake.
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Old 01-21-2006, 02:25 PM   #14
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My gas mileage got a nice bump up after Stage 1 (after I stopped mashing the gas...), so even if you're not racing it, you'll appreciate that, along with the smoother acceleration under partial throttle.
I just got through with my first tank of gas after switching to Stage 1. I got almost 22 mpg, and that was mostly spirited city driving with a few hard runs to measure the boost. That's about 1 mpg better than I was getting before. I'm expecting 23 to 24 on this next tank.

As for the difference, I was very pleased with the Stage 1 upgrade. Like someone else said, it should come from the factory this way.
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Old 01-21-2006, 02:28 PM   #15
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I was looking into adding a little bit of love into my engine, but I have a question.

I was thinking about exhaust and intake first.
Then I thought about the Cobb stage 1.
I was thinking the same thing a few months ago. After reading about people having poor luck with intakes, and not wanting a loud exhaust, I went with the Stage 1 option a few weeks ago. The Accessport is great. My car is stock otherwise, and the power delivery is now wonderful. There is so much more torque below 3k and the top end has a noticeable improvement too. You'll get better performance for the money with the Stage 1 than with the intake and exhaust option.
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:40 PM   #16
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I couldn't tell the difference between stock and Stage1 and I'm not alone. Several others said the same thing. I think it is placebo effect for many so ask yourself how suggestible you are.

Go directly to Stage 2.
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:50 PM   #17
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I couldn't tell the difference between stock and Stage1 and I'm not alone. Several others said the same thing. I think it is placebo effect for many so ask yourself how suggestible you are.

Go directly to Stage 2.
I for one, do feel a difference between Stg 1 and stock. More in the sense that acceleration seems a lot smoother than before.
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Old 01-22-2006, 09:45 PM   #18
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I just installed Stage 1 yesterday and I am quite impressed.

I took the car for a drive up the Pacific Coast Highway and Topanga Canyon.

Not only is there more power, but the power curve is much nicer.

+1 for the AccessPORT
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Old 01-22-2006, 09:49 PM   #19
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Went straight to stage 2 and
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Old 01-23-2006, 01:53 AM   #20
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I'm a little half-half about Stage 1. I did "feel" a better power curve, but eh. Maybe just my oversensitive butt dyno in action. I'm sure there was some added peak power there, but it was nothing to write home about.

Stage 1 is a trap IMO. It only leaves you wondering what Stage 2 will be like. I ran Stage 1 for a few months before I gave in to my curiousity and went with a TBE and Stage 2. Stage 2 is an unmistakable improvement in dusting grandma at the stoplight.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:22 AM   #21
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I could definitely tell a difference between Stock and Stage 1. And NO, it wasn't a placebo effect as someone else said. I could see it with my own eyes. Stock I would lose boost after about 5500 RPM's at WOT. With Stage 2nd-4th gear it would full boost all the way up to redline. Also, boost would start building about 300rpms sooner that stock.

The car also does feel much smoother after stage one, I don't get the crazy jerks after letting of the throttle. Also my gas mileage increased slightly as the car didn't require as much throttle input to get it moving so I was easier on the gas. I didn't feel any HUGE power gains, but it was definitely smoother and definitely a bit faster.

I am sure that some people didn't feel much difference and sadly maybe none at all. There are some rare cases where peoples cars just do not react well with the COBB reflash. I think for the most part people that have gotten the AccessPort are happy campers. I know I am! I will be flashing to Stage 2 hopefully by the end of next month when I pick up my Downpipe and Up-Pipe.

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Old 01-23-2006, 03:09 AM   #22
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I could definitely tell a difference between Stock and Stage 1. And NO, it wasn't a placebo effect as someone else said. I could see it with my own eyes. Stock I would lose boost after about 5500 RPM's at WOT. With Stage 2nd-4th gear it would full boost all the way up to redline. Also, boost would start building about 300rpms sooner that stock.
I think that's the problem for a lot of the stage 1 naysayers, myself included to a certain extent. I didn't have any gauges installed at the time I flashed stage 1 so I couldn't really see anything. I did put in EGT and boost gauges later and my stage 1 was in fact holding the advertised ~14.7 PSI peak boost. Unless my car was making that boost stock, which I doubt, then I guess that is a difference right there. More boost definitely equates to more power.

As for the jerkiness on stock mapping, I can't comment. I've honestly forgotten what a stock WRX feels like.
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Old 01-23-2006, 04:05 AM   #23
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yes it is worth it and then when you get your exhaust done then you go to straight to cobb stage 2. win and win...
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I didn't have any gauges installed at the time I flashed stage 1 so I couldn't really see anything...

...More boost definitely equates to more power.

If you need gauges to tell you are going faster, then you are most likely not feeling the difference.

More Boost may = More Power, but how much?

A friend of mine was testing out his top end with a Police Officer and a radar gun. His first past he was doing 135mph where he topped out his speedometer and he said he still had 1/4 of his gas pedal left to push down. The officer told him to make another run flat out and he did, doing 137. The point is sometimes seat of the pants and gauges can be misleading. Someone said they KNOW they are faster because they got boost 300rpms sooner. Here's a test. Launch your car hard like your going to past Grandma and see how long it takes to get past that 300rpm threshold. Are you even in that 300rpm threshold when you launch? Probably not.

Does stage1 make a difference? Probably. Does it make a smile inducing buttdyno measurable difference? Even those who said yes have had to point to measurements and gauges to showing small to microscopic gains and the ever-present "smooth" (exactly how does that help you beat grandma?) description (I think Cobb actually started using this first to explain why Stage 1 didn't feel faster, I know that's what they told me on the phone).


No matter what anyone says, remember, it is a natural tendency to promote your own actions as good and right and placebos do work in medicine. I'll stick with the "How suggestible are you?" question as a good rule for Stage1. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Keep in mind you can buy a nice DP or even a Stealth-back (catless) for the same price or less than an AP, then you can get a custom tune where the power is really found.
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Does stage1 make a difference? Probably. Does it make a smile inducing buttdyno measurable difference? Even those who said yes have had to point to measurements and gauges to showing small to microscopic gains
I feel the gain, no gauges to look at
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