Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Saturday September 20, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-20-2006, 10:10 PM   #1
SUBE555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Neenah, WI
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
Silver

Default Audi RS4 info...

Considering the Audi RS4 is coming out this spring in the USDM and I'm sure we all remember who off the wall many of the automotive journalists seemed with their estimated pricing numbers of around $80k, I wanted some quantitative numbers. Since the RS4 is already priced in the UK I used that market as a comparison to the US market. I used comparable 4-series models all with Quattro AWD, 6MT and in sedan form. I list the price times the base price for models above the base.

A4 2.0T.......20,497.87 - $30,340.00
A4 3.2FSI.............1.16 - 1.17X
S4.......................1.56 - 1.53X
RS4.....................2.04 - 2.04..$61,893.60

I believe this gives beyond a reasonable doubt that $80k is a bit over the true mark. I feel that with BMW and a couple of other makes out there becoming more competitive, Audi must still at least be reasonably competitive and since they also have new S6 and S8 models and I can't remember if a new RS6 is on the way, but they don't have a real good reason to make this model super expensive as suggested by the press.

Just thought this is an interesting bit of those who desire the RS4 like myself. Especially since the Legacy STI seems so ellusive.

And for those of you wondering what some of the options on the RS4 that might balloon that price, here is basically a comprehensive list of whats available in the UK for options:
-Technology Pack with DVD Nav and 6-Disc Changer
-18x8.5" wheels and 255/40R-18 tires (std is 19)
-Sport Suspension Pack (10mm lower and stiffer)
-Audio Symphony II Radio
-Cassette Storage Compartment
-6 CD Auto Changer
-GSM Phone prep on dash
-GSM phone prep in center console armrest
-SatNav System
-TV Reception
-Electric front Recaro sport seats
-Heated front and outer rear seats
-Audi exclusive leather equipment and trim packages
-Adaptive lighting
-Auto-dimming rear view mirror
-Child seat prep
-Homelink
-Rear side airbags
-Custom color seat belts
-Black suede RS sports steering wheel
-Auto air recirculation with filter
-Electric interior blinds for side windows and rear window
-Cool glove box
-Leather control package for gear shift, handbrake
-Front center armrest compartment
-RS4 floor mats
-Floor mats with leather piping
-Auto opening boot lid
-Electric glass sunroof
-Electric solar sunroof
-Black optic pack for black external trim
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
SUBE555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 11:30 AM   #2
sandman1011
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88476
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Aiken SC
Default

The new RS4 is so sweet. I wish I could even think about affording one. Did you see the episode of Top Gear where they tested it? Pretty nice...
sandman1011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 11:39 AM   #3
Evil STI
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 36792
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NNJ HamfistRacing.com
Vehicle:
2014 Camaro 1LE
gold chains & meatballs

Default

If that pricing is true, there will be NO better bang for the buck, hi-performance luxury AWD sedan on the market. Sick, sick, sick!!!!
Evil STI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 11:47 AM   #4
darksands
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 75122
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Im in a glass case of emotion
Vehicle:
2005 Impreza WRX
Crystal Gray

Default

Ive seen a RS6 around here so its either already here or they imported it. This is in the uber rich Newport Beach area where M3's are the standard and kids get dropped off to school in their dads lambo or ferrari. I wouldnt be surprised if it is a real RS6.
darksands is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 02:42 PM   #5
johnei
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 70272
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Chicago
Default

I've heard that the 997 GT3s are already running around that area but since Audi just introduced the S6 and S8 (and Audi doesn't seem to pander to special buyers as easily or readily as Porsche) I kind of doubt it. I suppose it could have been built by their quattro gmbh company though. The new S6 uses a slightly detuned version of the V10 found in the Gallardo and the S8. The Old RS6 (which also came in a RS6+ form) used a biturbo V8.
If you want to get pictures and specs of a new RS6 then feel free.

Also I think you'll just have to wait for real prices on the RS4 from Audi. Trying to translate a price from GBPs to USD is mixed with changing exchange/interest rates, taxes, and pricing issues. A new high demand car like the RS4 wouldn't have to be as competitively priced. Also, I've read that it is illegal for European dealers to markup over the MSRP like dealers here - not sure if that could apply to UK or not. Last point is that the automakers have traditionally price gouged the UK market compared to the rest of the EU.

Last edited by johnei; 01-21-2006 at 02:48 PM.
johnei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 02:53 PM   #6
kts262
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 45464
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Hanover, MD
Vehicle:
91 E30 325i
95 E36 325is

Default

i'll have to dig through my stack of magazines since 2 of them i thought listed the price as being around $63k which is what i thought it was going to be. if i can find them i'll scan the pages and post them up. i'm hoping they are $63k since i might have a shot at actually affording one in a few years when i decide to turn the STi into a weekend/track car and i'll need a new daily driver.
kts262 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 05:13 PM   #7
SUBE555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Neenah, WI
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
Silver

Default

Darksands- the previous generation RS6 was out for a year or two, so that's probably what you saw. There is no current or concept RS6 that I've seen thus far. The new S6 will have a 5+L V-10.

johnei- While it is just speculation with taxes and all that stuff different, I just took the base prices and translated the difference in percentage increase per model which seemed to be fairly consistent, and that's how I reached my conclusion. Sure it isn't perfectly accurate, but it leads to a better conclusion than many automotive journalists were speculating at an $80k price tag. The M5 starts at $81,200 and it's bigger, more power, etc...

I think in a year or two if I eat my corn flakes with water and cut out that extra meal a day I might be able to afford one in about 15 months. Well not that drastic a cut-back, but realistically, I might be able to do it at that price point (less a number of my close family and friends think I'm utterly out of my mind.) Just the perfect present for yourself when you hit 25 and those insurance rates drop.
SUBE555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2006, 03:10 AM   #8
zzyzx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 815
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Florida
Vehicle:
2013 Boss 302 White
2000 2.5 RS Coupe Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil STI
If that pricing is true, there will be NO better bang for the buck, hi-performance luxury AWD sedan on the market. Sick, sick, sick!!!!
Hardly. If you're going to pay 63k for this thing, you'd be better off buying a C6 Z06 for a marginal amount more.
zzyzx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2006, 01:31 PM   #9
SUBE555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Neenah, WI
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
Silver

Default

It depends what you're looking for in a car though zzyzx. The Vette may be remarkably quick, but quality of the interior it lacks and ability to carry at least 2 adults and 2 smaller adults or kids is something the Vette lacks. Each has their own purpose. To each their own I say.
SUBE555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2006, 01:33 PM   #10
Evil STI
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 36792
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NNJ HamfistRacing.com
Vehicle:
2014 Camaro 1LE
gold chains & meatballs

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zzyzx
Hardly. If you're going to pay 63k for this thing, you'd be better off buying a C6 Z06 for a marginal amount more.
I know your a reasonably intelligent person, but that has to be the most ignorant post of the day...

The RS4 is much more than just raw performance numbers. Reread my post above.
Evil STI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 10:45 AM   #11
iv30
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 10865
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: At my house
Vehicle:
12 T3 08 IS350

Default

Here is the US product release info
http://www.eshaun.com/pics/s4info/2007_RS4.pdf

Heres the US pricing info
$66,000 base price.
Few options available including a $4,000 Premium Package that will include Nav, Bluetooth among other things.
So about $70k-$72k very nicely equipped.


They are not including a bunch of stuff on the US cars, most important the Seats and steering wheel.

Last edited by iv30; 01-23-2006 at 07:17 PM.
iv30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 07:15 PM   #12
SUBE555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Neenah, WI
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
Silver

Default

Well the price isn't incredibly bad, the loss of those seats and wheel are hitters for me, quite disappointing. I knew they were gonna be swapped, but they could have designed something better. Hell, my GT wheel is nicer than that one! Those seats couldn't be uglier also.

Cummon Subaru, Legacy STI (everyone chant with me!)
SUBE555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 07:17 PM   #13
AudiTTkiller
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 72875
Join Date: Oct 2004
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: montreal
Vehicle:
2004 W R X
platinum silver metallic

Default

adam in "family business" drives a red rs6
AudiTTkiller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2006, 10:49 AM   #14
zzyzx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 815
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Florida
Vehicle:
2013 Boss 302 White
2000 2.5 RS Coupe Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil STI
The RS4 is much more than just raw performance numbers. Reread my post above.
If you want a luxury car, yes. If you want a sports car, no.

And given the pricing that was posted, looks like the new Z06 is marginally (if at all) more expensive.

If these two were ever put in a similarly-priced comparo type sports car test, Audi would have serious egg on it's face.

Don't get me wrong here... it's a cool sedan. It's isn't, however, a good buy.

Last edited by zzyzx; 01-25-2006 at 10:56 AM.
zzyzx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2006, 06:34 PM   #15
SUBE555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Neenah, WI
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
Silver

Default

Well apparently the media sure likes the car, Jeremy Clarkson thinks it's even better than the current M3. I think numbers show it's worthy of acclaim. Just some numbers to compare off the Top Gear Test track...

Murcielago - 1.23.7
Noble - 1.25.0
Gallardo - 1.25.8
Porsche Cayman - 1.26.2
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG - 1.26.9
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9
Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Audi S4 - 1.30.9

The new RS4 apparently got around the track over a second quicker than the Cayman's 1.26.2 and in the 1.25 bracket, so that is a quite quick time, particularly for a track that does have a few sections that really favor much lighter and more agile vehicles, I don't think it does too bad at that.

I don't think the Audi has egg on it's face here, besides, there are those of us who want to carry more than just two people. A sport saloon or estate is perfect IMO and few have the soul and character like this car.

BTW, cars are never good purchases unless it's a collector car, as they soak up money like a mop. But they sure can be fun in the process.
SUBE555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2006, 09:00 PM   #16
E. Nick
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8489
Join Date: Jul 2001
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Atherton, CA
Vehicle:
1978 Plymouth Volare
Maroon / White Vinyl

Default

The above seems confusing - if that track favors lighter, more agile vehicles, how did the CLS 55 do so well? Look what got beat - GT3, M3CSL, EVO, STi!!! How? That car may be powerful, but it's a pig.
E. Nick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2006, 09:09 PM   #17
SUBE555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Neenah, WI
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
Silver

Default

I think you need to watch some Top Gear episodes to understand their little circuit. And I said a few sections seem to favor those types of vehicles, there are also some nice larger faster sections too, though the tighter sections as always are what makes the biggest difference in time, how those sections can be negotiated.
SUBE555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2006, 09:19 PM   #18
Evil STI
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 36792
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NNJ HamfistRacing.com
Vehicle:
2014 Camaro 1LE
gold chains & meatballs

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zzyzx
If you want a luxury car, yes. If you want a sports car, no.

And given the pricing that was posted, looks like the new Z06 is marginally (if at all) more expensive.

If these two were ever put in a similarly-priced comparo type sports car test, Audi would have serious egg on it's face.

Don't get me wrong here... it's a cool sedan. It's isn't, however, a good buy.

I usually just let things die when someone doesn't understand something but here goes anyway:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil STI
If that pricing is true, there will be NO better bang for the buck, hi-performance luxury AWD sedan on the market. Sick, sick, sick!!!!
I don't see anywhere in my post above where it mentioned sports car. The Z06 may be very well the SPORTS CAR bargain of the century, but to contradict my post above with the comparison of it to the RS4 just oozes the fact that someone didn't read or reread it properly.
Evil STI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2006, 10:58 PM   #19
JJ26
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 37508
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: FL
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Da Platinum

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUBE555
Murcielago - 1.23.7
Noble - 1.25.0
Gallardo - 1.25.8
Porsche Cayman - 1.26.2
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG - 1.26.9
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9
Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
The Cayman is faster around their track than the GT3!?! That is interesting, unless the GT3 did the track in the wet, which it did I just checked. But anyway, I'm surprised by the cayman. I know that the GT3 RS did it in 1.22.3

Damn, Porsche always does it. But with the RS4, damn nice car. Looks good, goes fast. So what if its 66k...I bet its worth it.
JJ26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2006, 10:25 AM   #20
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:
1984 "Skeletor from
"He-Man"

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUBE555
I think in a year or two if I eat my corn flakes with water and cut out that extra meal a day I might be able to afford one in about 15 months.
So.. what are you going to cut back on to keep the thing running? It's an Audi. It will break, and it will be expensive to repair, and it will be hard to work on.
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2006, 06:34 PM   #21
SUBE555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Neenah, WI
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
Silver

Default

Haha, na, I wouldn't have to do that. Would be my garage queen anyhow.
SUBE555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Audi RS4 will cost close to $80k?!? Layman Off-Topic 57 08-04-2005 10:15 AM
Audi RS4 517hp Vs. Porsche 996TT 477hp chris619 Off-Topic 21 08-04-2004 02:48 PM
Audi RS4 or BAJA-photoshopped! SubaruRules Baja Forum 2 01-04-2003 12:26 AM
Audi RS4 sedan anyone? Bart Mid West Subaru Owners Club Forum -- MWSOC 5 06-28-2002 11:27 AM
Audi RS4 sighting in Oak Brook dead-eye Mid West Subaru Owners Club Forum -- MWSOC 4 06-22-2001 09:51 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.