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Old 05-15-2001, 01:33 PM   #1
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Post daily driver suspension mods?

i'm trying to build a daily driver thats just more fun to tool around in every day. so far, mods include:

tein ha coilovers w/ pbm's
adjustable rear sway bar
h/d rear endlinks
sturdy front and rear strut tower bars
cornerweighted and slightly more aggressive alignment

summer wheels and tires, h/d front end links, and an anti-lift kit are going on in the next month or so. am i pretty much maxed out now in terms of suspension work? i'd like to try some lower arm braces, but can't find any for a bd legacy and think they may interfere with the skid plates and exhaust system.

any ideas or opinions would be appreciated..

roger
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Old 05-15-2001, 05:31 PM   #2
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Do you have any info on anti-lift kits? I'm just curious, cuz I haven't seen any for Legacies. Give me some details when you make a choice and install a kit.

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Old 05-15-2001, 07:54 PM   #3
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I have the Whitline ALK fitted on to my Y2K Legacy GT. Unless you drive spiritedly, you will not notice any difference in cornering performance.

If you autocross, what you'll notice is increased response to "Turn-in" and slightly better cornering bite in the form of reduced understeer. During high speed slaloms, you really notice the difference.

The ALK from Whiteline for the Impreza can be used for the Legacy. That's the one I'm using.

Hope this helps...
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Old 05-15-2001, 08:48 PM   #4
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i'm getting the whiteline alk. it's supposed to help reduce the nose-up tendency of the car under heavy acceleration. or at least that's how i understand it. i need to have the alignment redone anyways..

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Old 05-16-2001, 01:54 AM   #5
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Forggert,

Please excuse the slightly off-topic post , but has anyone noticed much of an NVH degradation after the ALK mod??

Haven't done it yet, but really interested...

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Old 05-16-2001, 04:33 AM   #6
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NVH is hardly noticeable almost imperceptible. There is a slight increase in road feel through the steering wheel though. (hard bushings)

That's all.
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Old 05-16-2001, 05:09 AM   #7
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joet, any disadvantages to the alk? is there any change in how the steering wheel returns to center?

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Old 05-16-2001, 03:08 PM   #8
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I've had the ALK on for about 1500 Km, so far there are no side effects or disadvantages.

Actually, during normal driving you don't notice any difference at all.

On Center feel remains the same, I think that the 2000 Legacy GT's have slightly over boosted power steering anyway.

The benefits manifiests themselves in extreme driving. The front wheels seem to have more bite when accelerating through tight corners (Autocross), and turn in response of the car is increased. Hard to explain. As for the nose up (squat) tendancy during acceleration, I see no difference at all.

Summary:

Increased turn In response
Reduced understeer in 5K (rpm) 2nd gear or faster slaloms.
No adverse effects or increase in NVH
Car feels "normal" when driving conservatively.
Reduced tendency to "Tram Line" (slight, this maybe placibo effect, but I feel it)

Hope this helps...
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Old 05-17-2001, 07:47 PM   #9
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it does help, thanks. with the current upgrades, the legacy is so much more fun to drive than when it was stock. i went out tonight to get a hot dog from across the street and came back with the gas tank needle near E. should be even better in a month.

has anyone tried using lower arm braces? i think that's what they're called. they basically work like a strut tower bar, but underneath the car.

roger

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Old 05-17-2001, 07:54 PM   #10
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I too would love to find lower suspension braces for my Legacy.

I know that JC Sports makes the rear brace for the Impreza, does any one know if these exist for the the Y2K Legacy GT?

<IMG SRC="http://www.jcsportsinc.com/web/images/jcs_rear_bar.jpg" border=0>
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Old 05-17-2001, 08:13 PM   #11
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check out this front one:

<IMG SRC="http://www.concentric.net/~Rhc/subaru/brace.jpg" border=0>

i'm assuming it's made by cusco because of the color and it came from a pic of the gold sti be legacy.

roger

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Old 05-18-2001, 04:24 AM   #12
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Nice stuff... I would like to get a front and rear lower brace. Only if they were available....

If you find any availability from anywhere... Post it here. I wouldn't mind picking up a set for my 00 Legacy GT. I do think that the 00 - 01 - 02 GT's have a slight issue with regards to maintaining correct camber at the rear.

A rear suspension brace would probably do wonders in correcting the overly compliant bushings on the rear sub frame for the new multi-link rear suspension.

Or maybe a bushing kit.... Hummmm...
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Old 05-19-2001, 03:17 AM   #13
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G'days gents,

Experience on our B4s has shown that the swaybar endlinks did more for the handling that the rear stiffener bar. One of our members managed to rip his rear bar off on a car parking block ! They hang down a few inches to clear large exhausts, and if you live where there is snow or bad ruts it can be nerve wracking (although it did save his life when his B4 fell off it's jack while he was under it!!).

The pic above is indeed of the Cusco front stiffener. Seems to be the cheapest option right now. I have some Prova stiffeners on my car, but they are way more expensive (double++) than the Cusco.

I think Jeff still has his on, but we all added the Cusco rear bar to our cars to really tighten the BE rear up (they exist for the BD/BG too).

(edit: got the ALK on order - just got to find somewhere to install it here! Thanks for all the advice/help!!)

Cheers

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Old 05-19-2001, 04:53 PM   #14
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mmm... prova...

too bad we can't get any of that stuff here..

when you say the cusco front stiffener is "cheap" compared to the prova, what kind of prices are we talking about? just getting ready for a trip to japan later this year or next.

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Old 05-20-2001, 08:13 PM   #15
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Roger,

Going from memory, so don't shoot me if I am wrong, but I think the Cusco was about 15,000yen and the Prova stiffeners run around 32,000 or so !! The Prova stuff is really nice stuff but you tend to have to pay for more for it vs. other makers.

They - the Prova ones - work on a totally different principal, being 2 high tensile steel bars with pillow ball ends. They are centre mounted on the sub frame and extend out to the hubs (looks like the just about to be released B4 update - "D" series - has some reinforcement down there too). They only really come into play when there is lateral force acting on them - so "in theory" they sould not transmit shocks through to the chassis as much as the Cusco frame - I repeat "in theory" - this is not a value judgement.

Bring your plastic coz there are many toys, and great stores waiting for your capital injection!!

(edited for understandability!)

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Old 05-21-2001, 03:57 PM   #16
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thanks for the info. i've got a couple requests in to vendors here about the cusco parts, so we'll see what happens. it looks like the front and rear stiffeners will fit nicely into a suitcase, but the hippo sleek body kit may be a tight fit.

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Old 05-21-2001, 06:39 PM   #17
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Save some space for a Fujitsubo muffler? They're not too loud, but they sound sweeeet , look good but like all nice stuff over here - a little pricey!

Wonder if you'll have "space" for wheels - standard 17s are nice (from the late BD-RS), and the current ones look OK, as well as being relatively light for an OE wheel (u can find them at 2nd hand places, too). Oh, and the new ones are quite smart!

If you are "doing" Tokyo, be sure to visit Autowave and SuperAutobacs (the ones in town seem to have quite a bit of Subie stuff).

Cheers.
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