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Old 12-19-2005, 07:56 PM   #1
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Default Sparco 17x9 e45 wheel??

Racing Sparco NT-R (searched on that, found nothing.. hence this post..)

Anyone ever try this on an '05 STi?... pretty cheap wide-wheels maybe?.. offset is pretty much what would be wanted. Hard to tell if the spokes have Brembo-clearance. In the pic of the lip, they look to have a good curve to them, but still hard to be sure. They look a little 'spindly' to me, wonder if they'd hold up to autox?

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...w=9&bp=5-114.3

Just saw the offset was 45 and figured it'd be worth an investigation.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:15 PM   #2
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I'm guessing you're more likely to have rubbing issues at full cut of the wheel if the Brembos don't cause you problems. 9" is pretty wide.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:31 AM   #3
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Regardless... they are some fugly wheels.
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Old 12-20-2005, 12:53 PM   #4
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I don't care about looks... these would be for autox so as to mount 275 V710s In fact, the uglier the better... the shame of losing to car with these nasty wheels would just magnify the glory

There are several documented cases of folks running 9" wide wheels for autox, and the fronts are usually not the problem. It's usually rear clearance w/quarter panel or the strut-body (if the offset is not correct). Some folks are running the 5Zigen FN01RC's in 17x9 e43, but other posts have indicated 1/4-panel interference. I'm wondering if the extra 2mm offset of these would help that out (again, presuming they clear Brembos and so on).

I had never seen these particular wheels before, and since they have at first glance a 'potential' to fit, figured I'd ask to see if anyone has tried them.

Oh well, if anyone has tried them, please pipe-up
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:33 PM   #5
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I have eyed these wheels as well.

In theory they will clear the brakes as long as the spoke pattern goes all the way to the lip of the wheel...ie, no "dish"

the 2mm extra offset wont help all that much as even with a +48mm offset 275s stick out past the fender. (not by much but they do)
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Old 12-20-2005, 02:18 PM   #6
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^^^
I've been following your progress on the other thread as well in 'motorsports'... prompted me to start looking at alternative wheels.

I wish I knew if these would clear brembos.

I'm about 97% to the point of just giving up and running 8.5" wheels and 245's.. . meh... or maybe just sticking with my Torques and saving the $$.
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Old 12-20-2005, 02:32 PM   #7
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I've been convinced to run V710s (if i buy tires new). I really want to run the 275s.

All of the fast local guys 2 STis (Rankink is one of them in AS) and an Evo MR have them.

We also have a guy on a set of 245 V710s all though on 18x8.5s. (SSR Comps), he too was very fast this last event. (Rich728)

Another of our local guys (WRBlueSTi) has Rankink's old 255 victos on a set of 17x8.5 Slipstreams and he also did really good.

Rankink guessed about a 1.5 second improvement overall when going from the 255 Victos to the 275 v710's

the reason for all this tire talk is what Tire I plan on running is going to determine which wheel i go with.

If i'm going to run the 255 Victos i'll just get a spare set of stockers, but then i'll be forever limited to those 255 victos (i don't want to use spacers) as long as I keep the spare set of stockers.

If i want to eventually go 275, no reason to spend the money on wheels that I'm only going to use for one set of tires.....

the 275s bring up a whole nother issue of fitment, I'd love to run them on a set of 17x9 +43mm 5-zigen Fn0r1cs, but with my current soft susupension (Sti Pink and JDM Spec C Struts) i'd be cutting the tire pretty hard core, unless i pulled the fenders out a bunch and ran lots of camber.

The only real way that I personally would be comfortable running the 275s and the 17x9 +43mm Fn01rcs is if I was running coilovers.

this opens a whole nother door, which ones. Do I need camber adjustment in the rear? How stiff of springs.

I really like the Cusco Zero2R but the springs rates are pretty soft relative to some of the others, and it has no rear camber plates.

The Zeal V6s are gorgeous, have "race' springs available only a few extra hundred dollars, Rear Camber adjustablilty.

No Teins, No JICs......

Ideally I'd run a set of V6s with the 17x9 +43mm Fn01rcs and 275/40 17 V710s. With about 2.5 degrees camber in the front and 1.5 in the rear.....

ok, sorry for the thread hi-jack. back on topic.

pending these wheels are as light weight as the Fn01rcs and clear the brembos they are a viable option pending you have that +2mm of space to spare between the tire and strut (which I assume you would considering on Rankink's setup 275 and +48mm he has about 5mm). These Sparcos are also a little more expensive then FN01rcs.

did any of that make sense? I'd love constructive input or disagreement.

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Old 12-20-2005, 02:46 PM   #8
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The wheel is not as bad as I thought it would be from some of the other posts here. I do like the black, which is what i run as my auto-x wheels. My main concern besides fitment issues would be the weightof those bad boys. Any info on that?

The Fn01rcs in 17x9 do clear the brembos on the 05 STi. I know Tom Hoppe had them on his STi with 275's with no problems there. I don't think he had any rubbing or very minimal with the tires.

FYI - Mr WRX8XB is very picky about what he puts on his car. no matter the price.
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Old 12-20-2005, 03:14 PM   #9
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I'm about 97% to the point of just giving up and running 8.5" wheels and 245's.. . meh... or maybe just sticking with my Torques and saving the $$.
I've been running 245's on 8.5's with some success, but im convinced that 275 are the way to go to be fully competitive. Im seriously considering selling my SSR 18 8.5 and going with a

on the suspension front, i would have to recommend Zeals v6 8K/10K springs from Myles at racecompengineering
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Old 12-20-2005, 03:58 PM   #10
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No worries on thread-jack... this discussion is pretty much the internal monologue I've been having anyway as to next season (undecided on a class to be in currently)

ack.... y'all make good arguments for 275's... I got a lot of thinking to do. Problem is, no time to do it. Our first race is January 8.

I think these Sparcos are probably heavy as heck... other wheels by them are kind of chunky. I just liked the prospect of the extra 2mm offset w/respect to clearing fenders. My car is on stock suspension still, I have 'height' I guess... but don't want the tire to crash into the 1/4-panel and tear it up.

If someone had chimed in with a glowing report of these wheels fitting and giving the perfect amount of clearance, I'd be able to pick a class to run a lot easier. I've seen only 1 anecdotal report on the 5Zig's in 17x9, and I don't recall if it was actually autox'ed much on them vs. just 'test-fit and see'.


I was mentally prepared to go to ESP on some 255 victos on my rota torques, then the move to BSP put lots of doubts in there. BSP isn't a well attended class down here (usually just one car)... boring.

STU was likewise poorly attended this past season (typically 1 or 2 cars).

I want a little more freedom to mod my car than AS, but my car is closest to being AS legal (would only have to reinstall the stock rear sway...).

SM would work, but that's a money-escalation class if I ever saw one, and I have an addictive personality.

...back to the thinkin' stump... I see myself stuck in STU racing no one simply b/c I'll procrastinate and wind up doing nothing
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:04 PM   #11
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good, point.

I witnessed the 5zig's at the subie challenge. (Scoobysouth) had them on his car.

they looked great (For autox), he has STi Pink Wagon springs in the rear to raise the car up some for the clearance. I don't see that as an option, I don't like mis-matching springs.

but then again i havn't researched that avenue (b/c i just now rememberd).

I've heard the Sparcos are not that heavy. I'll find the number again.

Only problem with STU is the 245mm limit, such a skinny tire

Go BSP!! i'm in BSP eventhough i'm still on street rubber. (255/40 RT-615s make me illegal for STU)

I've seen these sparcos on an RX-8 down here in Ft. Lauderdale, and they looked really good. I'll go find the weight.
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:08 PM   #12
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http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/322

they are saying 17.2 lbs

the 5zigen's are still cheaper, and proven to fit.
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Old 12-21-2005, 11:59 AM   #13
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http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/322

they are saying 17.2 lbs

the 5zigen's are still cheaper, and proven to fit.
Well, 17.2lbs would be great!.. seems almost too light for a cast 17x9?... wonder if it's strong enough to put up with the stresses of a sticky DOT-R?

Yeah, I dislike the 245 limit in STU, but that's why I was wondering about going 17x9's... might spread out the tire a bit?...

BSP down here is a one-entrant class. A 'to the limits' C4. I think it would be boring to me to be in a 2-car class, and as under-prepped as I would be.

I'll have to go back and read ScoobySouth's setup then... running 275 v710s? on 17x9 e43 'zigs?... cool. Not sure I want to run wagon springs though... hmmm... do STi wagon springs raise it up to the same height as it would be with just the stock springs on it?... (thereby only giving some increased spring-rate and no 'drop'?) If so, perhaps that is an avenue to explore. Or, a return to 70's era 'technology' *cough* could be in order... spring-spacers ... dunno how old you are, but there used to be these little 'blocks' you could twist (had a spiral-cut in them) in between the coils of springs that would force adjacent coils apart by like an extra 1/2"... giving a little 'lift'. Super-hoaky!


That RX8 should have the same bolt-pattern, IIRC?... 5x114.3 (well, I know RX7s have it anyway) .. maybe you can talk him into a test-fit on your car?
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:25 PM   #14
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next time i see that guy at an event i'll see if he'll do it.

The 17x9 +43mm 5zigens are Rx7 fitment.

Scooby south was running 255victos, iirc.

Spring spacers are illegal in almost all SCCA Classes, Stock, ST, SP etc.

so many choices so little $$
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good, point.

I witnessed the 5zig's at the subie challenge. (Scoobysouth) had them on his car.

they looked great (For autox), he has STi Pink Wagon springs in the rear to raise the car up some for the clearance. I don't see that as an option, I don't like mis-matching springs.
but then again i havn't researched that avenue (b/c i just now rememberd).

I've heard the Sparcos are not that heavy. I'll find the number again.

Only problem with STU is the 245mm limit, such a skinny tire

Go BSP!! i'm in BSP eventhough i'm still on street rubber. (255/40 RT-615s make me illegal for STU)

I've seen these sparcos on an RX-8 down here in Ft. Lauderdale, and they looked really good. I'll go find the weight.



Bills car handles AMAZINGLY WELL(it came within 0.1 of that turbo miata, no????) for the $$$ spent and it even rides nice

poo-poo all ya want, but mixing springs is a NON-ISSUE
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:01 PM   #16
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Bills car handles AMAZINGLY WELL(it came within 0.1 of that turbo miata, no????) for the $$$ spent and it even rides nice

poo-poo all ya want, but mixing springs is a NON-ISSUE
I think it's just more of a "don't know anyone that's tried it" thing (well, speaking for me anyway). Folks mix/match coilover springs all the time, so it certainly works. I guess it just seems 'different' to do it on stock-type struts.
New/different == strange/unfamiliar... but all it takes is for a few more folks to try it I 'spoze.

I've been pondering it more since I first read that post above about it. I'm just not settled on if I'm going to give AS a shot this season yet... b/c I'm waiting to see if STU fills out into a real class locally, amongst my more typical procrastionation issues
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Bills car handles AMAZINGLY WELL(it came within 0.1 of that turbo miata, no????) for the $$$ spent and it even rides nice

poo-poo all ya want, but mixing springs is a NON-ISSUE
If I get a good explanation about why it's ok, Ie. spring rates are good, ride hieght isn't terrible. That sort of thing, i may consider it. But with out lots or research i'm not going to do it.

Plus Coilovers give me loads of adjustability, I've already spent a good chunk of money on my current setup and if I'm going to upgrade no reason not to upgrade all the way.

The choices.....
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The 5Zigen FN01RC's in 17x9 are actually a few bucks cheaper on discount tire - and it seems there is some experience on the boards with using them -

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7#post12402687


I'm still trying to see which offset to use (43 or 35)....
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the 2mm isn't going to make that much different, but in the end, it is easier to make your body panels wider then it is to make your suspension mounts different, or you struts further in.

I'm still stuck on the +43 5zigens.
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