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Old 01-23-2006, 11:11 PM   #1
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I am searching for a new set of all-season tires for my 02 wrx wagon. I just purchased the car and and it is quite obvious to me that the tires need replacing. I live near syracuse new york, and am wondering about the feasibility of driving on all-seasons through the winters here (lots of snow and slush). Our summers are not the dryest either so i would run them all year. My previous vehicle is a fullsize pickup which i still have around to possibly take out on the worst of days. (its 12mpg really didn't suit my everyday needs anymore).

Anyone who looks at tirerack would probably conclude the pirelli p zero nero m+s are the way to go in my situation. What do you guys say? For the record, i dont plan to race at all and it will probably take me a while before i realize i am not in my truck and learn to drive a wrx.

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Old 01-23-2006, 11:37 PM   #2
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These are pretty popular around here:

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Old 01-24-2006, 12:06 AM   #3
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avon tech m550 all season

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ech+M550+A%2FS


ownage in all categories.
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:26 AM   #4
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Michelin Pilot Sports A/S?
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Old 01-24-2006, 02:34 AM   #5
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I don't know how i missed the avons....any more comments on them? I unfortunately am looking for a bit lower price then the michelins. Seems like the avons have it...though it is a brand exclusive to tire rack.

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Old 01-24-2006, 02:35 AM   #6
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yah check this out

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS


tell me if that works or not. its a comparison of all the all season tires. avons dominate all.
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Old 01-24-2006, 02:38 AM   #7
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thanks svek, i couldn't find that before
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:09 AM   #8
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Those are customer survey results, not test results. Don't take those ratings TOO seriously. A guy who has been running touring tires his whole life who upgrades to a crappy UHPAS tire will provide higher ratings than someone who has had objective experience with a bunch of UHPAS tires.

I'd look at the Tirerack tire testing results for better information. Or at least read the individual reviews from Subaru owners.

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yah check this out

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS


tell me if that works or not. its a comparison of all the all season tires. avons dominate all.
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Old 01-24-2006, 08:59 AM   #9
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Those are customer survey results, not test results. Don't take those ratings TOO seriously...I'd look at the Tirerack tire testing results for better information...
what he said

lots of opinion - and good advice from Luke@TireRack - here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...highlight=snow
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:04 AM   #10
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i live outside of boston and ran Falken ZEIX512s last year. I had no problems and they performed much better than i had anticipated. this time last year we had 48 inches in January alone and i was out and about no problem. like i said, i was pleasantly suprised.

This year i did finally go to a dedicated snow b/c nothing can compare, but i definately cant speak highly enough of the Falkens.

Another thing is to know your limits for the conditions regardless of tire.

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Old 01-24-2006, 10:26 AM   #11
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I have been driving on Toyo Proxes 4 for the past 9 months and they have been awesome. I remember doing research and it was between them and Pzero Nero but the Toyos are significantly cheaper and look nice imo
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Old 01-24-2006, 11:48 AM   #12
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You might also consider the Dunlop SP Sport 5000.
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:24 PM   #13
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I think Nokian WR's are nice


According to everyone expansive tho
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:35 PM   #14
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I have an 02 wrx sedan and run 17s all year and on my winter set up I have Kumho ASX's in 225/45/17. These do surprisingly well in snow (coupled with AWD) and were a mere $92 each from TireRack. I think that their year round abilities are very good and have recommended them to many.

Good luck choosing - you've come to the right place!
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Old 01-24-2006, 03:48 PM   #15
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Michelin Pilot Sports A/S?
I have Michelin Pilot Sport A/S on my 05 STi and they're really pretty good. Good enough to make me want to sell my snow tires.
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Old 01-24-2006, 04:26 PM   #16
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i live outside of boston and ran Falken ZEIX512s last year. I had no problems and they performed much better than i had anticipated.
I bought the Falkens 2 years ago soon after the Consumer Reports issue that rated them #1 in snow. I thought they performed admirably that first winter, but the last 2 winters they've become pretty scary. After they get a bit of treadwear they seem to slip an awful lot. They are at a good price point, but I won't be buying them again unless I use them only as a summer tire.
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Old 01-24-2006, 04:46 PM   #17
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I have been driving on Toyo Proxes 4 for the past 9 months and they have been awesome. I remember doing research and it was between them and Pzero Nero but the Toyos are significantly cheaper and look nice imo
Proxes4's are NOT a good idea if you live in the snowy part on NY state. They are probably worst than RE92's in snow. I don't think the Pzero Nero M+S are much better, although I've never used them. In spring, fall and summer both these tires are great.

If you must buy an all-season get the Nokian WR's. But I highly recommend dedicated winter tires. Tires are the number one peice of safety equipment on your car. Do not cheap out on tires. If they help you to avoid one fender-bender they'll have saved you money.
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Old 01-24-2006, 04:46 PM   #18
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I think Nokian WR's are nice


According to everyone expansive tho
i'm running wr's right now. i have no major complaints aside from price. good (not great) in dry, good (not great) in nasty weather.
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:23 PM   #19
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I have an 02 wrx sedan and run 17s all year and on my winter set up I have Kumho ASX's in 225/45/17. These do surprisingly well in snow (coupled with AWD) and were a mere $92 each from TireRack. I think that their year round abilities are very good and have recommended them to many.

Good luck choosing - you've come to the right place!
i got these tires too. 225/50/16 on stock wheels. they are a great value for what its worth. a lot better than the stockers.
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I've run both the Pilot AS and the WR's. If dedicated snows aren't an option, or if like me, you live on the dry side of the mountain and only need them when you go up to ski/board all seasons are an excellent compromise...
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I don't think the Pzero Nero M+S are much better, although I've never used them.
Well, I've used the Pzero Neros for two winters now, and although you have to take it easy in the snow (as you should), I've had no problems getting around, even in the middle of blizzards. I've noticed excellent lateral traction, and average to good braking/accelerating.
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I use Continental ContiExtremeContacts for my winter tires. They're considerd an all-season, but have very good tread for the snow. You definitely give up some dry traction, but the snow traction is very impressive for an all-season.
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Old 01-25-2006, 01:40 AM   #23
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Well I sure didnt think there would be so many different opinions. I guess that means i need a lot more research on the subject or maybe i should just buy something to get rid of the stock tires. Any more opinions?

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Old 01-25-2006, 02:44 AM   #24
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I use Continental ContiExtremeContacts for my winter tires. They're considerd an all-season, but have very good tread for the snow. You definitely give up some dry traction, but the snow traction is very impressive for an all-season.
I had the conti's on my old front wheel drive car and they were great in the snow they will be the next tire i buy...
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Well I sure didnt think there would be so many different opinions. I guess that means i need a lot more research on the subject or maybe i should just buy something to get rid of the stock tires. Any more opinions?

-pete
That's because everyone thinks there set up is the best (i.e. they've brought a certain brand and that brand's hype and now they have to justify it - rightly or wrongly). You have to find the right tires, or combination of tires, for your situation and driving style.

As I stated above I've never used the Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S, but I've heard a lot of good things about them as a three-season tire. Many people use all-seasons in winter even up hear in Canada. I went my first winter on RE92's with no real issues. The problem with all-seasons on an AWD vehicle is the AWD gives you a false sense of security. You don't have any trouble getting moving, even on hills, so you assume that you have more traction than all the people stuck on the side of the road. The truth is you have more traction for accellerating, but not for cornering or stopping. That is why you see so many "I wrecked my Subaru" threads in winter.

A good set of winter tires (hype: I currently have Toyo Garit HT's for their stellar ice performance) will help you keep control of your car in all situations and will complement your AWD. You'll be able to stop, corner, and accellerate with greater confidence.
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