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Old 01-30-2006, 09:27 AM   #1
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:06 AM   #2
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I'd rather take my chances with the chemicals than be burned in a crash.
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Old 01-31-2006, 12:02 AM   #3
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hmm don't die if you crash but get lung cancer hmm.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:06 AM   #4
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I'd rather take my chances with the chemicals than be burned in a crash.
buh? most likely any crash that has a serious risk of fire would probably break a few windows.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:14 AM   #5
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I got my car in the summer and drove it all summer with windows down, and it's second summer too. I'm really not too concerned.

So are eggs good or bad for you this year?
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:28 AM   #6
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I guess the forester sunroof comes in handy now.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:39 AM   #7
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Don't chew on your dash anymore.
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Old 01-31-2006, 08:12 AM   #8
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Don't chew on your dash anymore.
But it's soo tasty.....
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:00 PM   #9
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Default toxic new-car smell -- oh well!

Here's a link to the article on CNN discussing the "toxic new-car smell":

http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/01/31/...ars/index.html

Here's the short of it for Subaru:
"But Mercedes, Chrysler, Toyota and Subaru had higher-than-average levels of both PBDEs and phthalates."
And the recommendations:
"It also suggested that car owners take steps to reduce the release and breakdown of these chemicals by using solar reflectors, ventilating car interiors, and parking outside of sunlight whenever possible."
Most people probably don't care. I don't care enough to pick a car based on that, and I'm an organic buying, no-drinking-or-cooking-out-of-plastic kind of weirdo. But I might use my sun shades now!

BTW, "Don't chew on your dash anymore." as Diabolical1 CC said
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:25 PM   #10
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So I wonder if used cars are better as they tend to not have that new car smell.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:31 PM   #11
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buh? most likely any crash that has a serious risk of fire would probably break a few windows.
Did you read the article? He means that he'd rather deal with some fire retardent chemicals than burn if those fire retardent chemicals were not present.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:37 PM   #12
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New car smell used to make me sick when I was young. I never did understand the attraction. I remember the old Fisher-Body GMs would stink for a very long time.

There are all kinds of materials used in homes that use the same chemicals. Carpet is a big one.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:43 PM   #13
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Did you read the article? He means that he'd rather deal with some fire retardent chemicals than burn if those fire retardent chemicals were not present.
Correct. People need to assess and balance the different risks rather than just saying "Oh noes! Horrible chemicals!"
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Old 01-31-2006, 08:02 PM   #14
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I dunno, my STi lost the new car smell after about two months where my '03 WRX still had it for almost a year up until the point I totaled it. Come to think of it, even after the crash still had that new car smell. :-(.

I think because of the STi seats or something the new car smell goes away rather fast, which I'm assuming means the STi has a less toxic interior compared to other Subarus and probably other new cars in general.
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Old 01-31-2006, 09:34 PM   #15
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New car smell used to make me sick when I was young. I never did understand the attraction. I remember the old Fisher-Body GMs would stink for a very long time.
Gawd those new 60's GM cars smelled great! Mopars were almost as good but Fords were puke. All that vinyl, carpet, contact cement, body filler and high voc paints were an irresistable cocktail for any new car buyer that sat down in one on the showroom floor. Import cars weren't bad either, especially with leather seats and leaky carburetors. And do you what was even better? Leaded gas at the non-EPA pump nozzle, mmmm' good
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Old 01-31-2006, 09:41 PM   #16
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Anything in my STi is LESS toxic than what comes out of the interior exhaust manifold. You know, the one at the other end of that nut behind the steering wheel.

Crack a window , indeed.
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Old 02-01-2006, 01:53 PM   #17
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the media tend to blow things out of proportion,.. i emailed the cites mentioned above for the research articles used to base their stated claims about the "toxic interiors".this is usually required for them to provide them if asked. manys times the levels needed to produce the symptoms seen in laboratory animals is several hundred times what is present. many years ago in alzheimer's disease research, the characteristic neurtic plaques were found to contain aluminum ions. the press miscontrued this information and the public was lead to believe aluminum cookware could cause alzheimer's. the research just indicated the afflicted tissue harbored slightly elevated levels of aluminum ions, in addition to iron and a few others. be cautious in what you read! I'll post what I find out once I get the articles.

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Old 02-03-2006, 09:17 AM   #18
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Pardon, but the report was titled 'Toxic at Any Speed', a ripoff of the 'unsafe at any speed' by Nader so many years ago. That name by itself tells me that the report has a media hungry idiot writing it.

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Reading through the posts here why didn' you all just read the report itself?

here:http://www.cleancarcampaign.org/rele...oxiccars.shtml

http://www.ecocenter.org/dust/ToxicAtAnySpeed.pdf
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