I think gas companies are diluting gas (and how much did you pay for a 30k service?)

Asinine · 01-31-2006, 10:17 AM

I've never gotten such horrible gas milage as I am now. I used to average 24.5mpg. Now I'm getting around 20, and I drive like a little old lady!

DAMN YOU, WINTER GAS AND SCHOOBUSSES!!! DAMN YOU TO MISSISSIPPI!!!

Well, I've got about 28,400 on my car, and I'm about 400 from an oil change, so... it's about that time.

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alacrity024 · 01-31-2006, 10:20 AM

here's one more thing that's contributing to your awful fuel economy during the winter:

more than likely, everytime you turn your defroster on (the one that blows air up the inside of your windshield) the A/C compressor kicks on. yes, that's right. you're running your aircon through the WHOLE WINTER. now tell me that isn't ****ing stupid.

024 clipped the microswitch wires in his wagon last sunday. I'LL decide when i want the A/C to come on, thankyouverymuch

sheikthin · 01-31-2006, 10:21 AM

i wouldn't be surprised if they did. dept of weights and measures can't check every station every day, so i'm sure they get away with it. there's a station around here that over the summer i filled up on their 93 octane and nearly blew up my motor (although a month later it really did blow up). it knocked so badly i could barely accelerate with more than 1/4 throttle.

emorphien · 01-31-2006, 10:22 AM

Mines been about a mpg lower lately, and I'm trying to keep it from dropping

KC · 01-31-2006, 10:23 AM

Winterized gas. Plain and simple.

Johnny Knoxville · 01-31-2006, 10:26 AM

you know what pisses me off? Exxon making a PROFIT of 36 billion dollars last year...

KC · 01-31-2006, 10:29 AM

Doesn't piss me off... at all... whatsoever. Prices at the station are set by the station owners for the most part. They can be cheaper than what they currently are.

--kC

Chromer · 01-31-2006, 10:30 AM

You know what rocks? Exxon being one of the top stocks in my retirement fund...

Having your AC come on once in a while during the winter is a good thing. Used to be that the compressor wouldn't run for 4 or 5 months of the year, and odds were that it would be siezed the first time you tried to use it in the spring, especially in rust-belt states...

Wiscon_Mark · 01-31-2006, 10:30 AM

grrr, I have noticed this too. I dropped from 27 mpg in the summer to barely 20 in the winter...it can't be that much of a change to the intake temp...

lotusdrift · 01-31-2006, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alacrity024

here's one more thing that's contributing to your awful fuel economy during the winter:

more than likely, everytime you turn your defroster on (the one that blows air up the inside of your windshield) the A/C compressor kicks on. yes, that's right. you're running your aircon through the WHOLE WINTER. now tell me that isn't ****ing stupid.

024 clipped the microswitch wires in his wagon last sunday. I'LL decide when i want the A/C to come on, thankyouverymuch

It defogs the windows MUCH faster (dehumidifies the air? cold air just works better? whatever it works).

And most cars I have been in have the option of A/C on or not. No need to cut the wire.

Asinine · 01-31-2006, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Knoxville

you know what pisses me off? Exxon making a PROFIT of 36 billion dollars last year...

Exxon made more profit last quarter than any company ever in U.S. history. However, it was only $0.09 on the dollar, which is not extraordinary. The record profits come as a result of how large they are and "inelastic demand" which does not fall with price increase.

Sooo, how much did everyone pay for their 30k service?

Jard · 01-31-2006, 10:32 AM

I think it cost me about $100 for fluids and parts. I did the labor myself. I could help you out with the coolant change, oil change, fuel filter, and air filter change.

snvin · 01-31-2006, 10:32 AM

From 24mpg to 22mpg here.

Johnny Knoxville · 01-31-2006, 10:33 AM

it pisses me off because i want to profit 36 billion in my lifetime. it take me a year to make what they do in a minute

semabe · 01-31-2006, 10:35 AM

I paid $300 for my 30K including switching the diffs and trans to synthetic.

As far as the gas goes, I get California Donkey Piss gas all year so stop whining (and I still get 24C/27H mileage.)

Asinine · 01-31-2006, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jard

I think it cost me about $100 for fluids and parts. I did the labor myself. I could help you out with the coolant change, oil change, fuel filter, and air filter change.

Sweeeetttt... oil I've done myself, but the others would take me an entire day just of reading what to do. I'll take you up on that offer if we can another nice weekend (I don't have a garage).

Could we switch out the gear and diff oil, too???

Wiscon_Mark · 01-31-2006, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotusdrift

It defogs the windows MUCH faster (dehumidifies the air? cold air just works better? whatever it works).

And most cars I have been in have the option of A/C on or not. No need to cut the wire.

um, A/C doesn't mean cold, it means no moisture, but yes, it removes the moisture from the windshield, that helps a lot...however, sometimes, I just want to put some air up there to warm up the glass, and having the A/C on no matter what is annoying.

Mine doesn't have that option...grrr

TheMadScientist · 01-31-2006, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotusdrift

It defogs the windows MUCH faster (dehumidifies the air? cold air just works better? whatever it works).

And most cars I have been in have the option of A/C on or not. No need to cut the wire.

Even if you push the button and the A/C light goes off the pump will still run. There are two switches to turn on the A/C. One ON the dash and one IN the dash. They use OR logic to turn on the compressor.

TMS

snvin · 01-31-2006, 10:39 AM

My car felt new after my 30K. Mileage went up 1 or 2 mpg too.

Protege Menace · 01-31-2006, 10:40 AM

i noticed I am only getting 240 miles on a tank of gas instead of my usual 320.

its a HUGE diff.

i thoguht it was because of my pad dragging on my rotor, but maybe not

vapore0n · 01-31-2006, 10:41 AM

I avoid gas stations that have one hose for all 3 grades. Most of the time people buy the cheap stuff and you get a good gulp of cheap gas when you pour the 93 good stuff.

At least I can notice it in my car.

Also, only use Exxon. My car doesnt like other brands.

As for 30k mile chekup, isnt it just a change of all fluids?
(trany, motor, dif, brake)
Id do it myself. Save $500

Jard · 01-31-2006, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asinine

Sweeeetttt... oil I've done myself, but the others would take me an entire day just of reading what to do. I'll take you up on that offer if we can another nice weekend (I don't have a garage).

Could we switch out the gear and diff oil, too???

Oh, yeh...that's easy too.

lotusdrift · 01-31-2006, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadScientist

Even if you push the button and the A/C light goes off the pump will still run. There are two switches to turn on the A/C. One ON the dash and one IN the dash. They use OR logic to turn on the compressor.

TMS

Having driven 4 cylinders my whole life I can assure you I know when the pump is on or not

Perhaps they use XOR logic, and thus turning 'on' the A/C is actually turning the whole system off

Asinine · 01-31-2006, 10:45 AM

Oh, and I gotta replace my plugs, too, right?

timmah · 01-31-2006, 10:45 AM

isn't a big problem with mileage in the winter, denser air (at least up here in the cold states ) = more o2 = more fuel to cruise at normal AFRs.

i could be wrong.

01-31-2006, 10:17 AM	#1
Asinine Sufficiently Snarky Member#: 55173 Join Date: Feb 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: I beat up big rocks Vehicle: with paddles.	I think gas companies are diluting gas (and how much did you pay for a 30k service?) I've never gotten such horrible gas milage as I am now. I used to average 24.5mpg. Now I'm getting around 20, and I drive like a little old lady! DAMN YOU, WINTER GAS AND SCHOOBUSSES!!! DAMN YOU TO MISSISSIPPI!!! Well, I've got about 28,400 on my car, and I'm about 400 from an oil change, so... it's about that time. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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01-31-2006, 10:20 AM	#2
alacrity024 Review Crew Member#: 49476 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Out of the car, long-hair!!	here's one more thing that's contributing to your awful fuel economy during the winter: more than likely, everytime you turn your defroster on (the one that blows air up the inside of your windshield) the A/C compressor kicks on. yes, that's right. you're running your aircon through the WHOLE WINTER. now tell me that isn't **ing stupid. 024 clipped the microswitch wires in his wagon last sunday. I'LL** decide when i want the A/C to come on, thankyouverymuch

01-31-2006, 10:21 AM	#3
sheikthin Scooby Newbie Member#: 77592 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Corning, NY Vehicle: * missdawn = MILF now with 25% less pistons	i wouldn't be surprised if they did. dept of weights and measures can't check every station every day, so i'm sure they get away with it. there's a station around here that over the summer i filled up on their 93 octane and nearly blew up my motor (although a month later it really did blow up). it knocked so badly i could barely accelerate with more than 1/4 throttle.

01-31-2006, 10:22 AM	#4
emorphien Scooby Newbie Member#: 83039 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Rochester, NY Vehicle: 2005 LegacyGT Ltd 5m ಠ_ಠ	Mines been about a mpg lower lately, and I'm trying to keep it from dropping

01-31-2006, 10:23 AM	#5
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: SE Mass/RI Vehicle: 2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000	Winterized gas. Plain and simple.

01-31-2006, 10:26 AM	#6
Johnny Knoxville Scooby Newbie Member#: 18508 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: OH-IO	you know what pisses me off? Exxon making a PROFIT of 36 billion dollars last year...

01-31-2006, 10:29 AM	#7
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: SE Mass/RI Vehicle: 2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000	Doesn't piss me off... at all... whatsoever. Prices at the station are set by the station owners for the most part. They can be cheaper than what they currently are. --kC

01-31-2006, 10:30 AM	#8
Chromer Scooby Specialist Member#: 20325 Join Date: Jun 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Vehicle: 08 Yamaha WR250R 07 Suzuki DL650	You know what rocks? Exxon being one of the top stocks in my retirement fund... Having your AC come on once in a while during the winter is a good thing. Used to be that the compressor wouldn't run for 4 or 5 months of the year, and odds were that it would be siezed the first time you tried to use it in the spring, especially in rust-belt states...

01-31-2006, 10:30 AM	#9
Wiscon_Mark Scooby Guru Member#: 94945 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Stevens Point, WI Vehicle: 1995 Legacy OB 5MT 2003 Forester X 5MT	grrr, I have noticed this too. I dropped from 27 mpg in the summer to barely 20 in the winter...it can't be that much of a change to the intake temp...

01-31-2006, 10:32 AM	#12
Jard In the silly seat Moderator Member#: 34935 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: SPB- 2013 Smugmobile	I think it cost me about $100 for fluids and parts. I did the labor myself. I could help you out with the coolant change, oil change, fuel filter, and air filter change.

01-31-2006, 10:32 AM	#13
snvin Scooby Specialist Member#: 50578 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: -= /\ is awesome.=- Vehicle: 2009 2.5i. Bleh. -=Forza Azzurri=-	From 24mpg to 22mpg here.

01-31-2006, 10:33 AM	#14
Johnny Knoxville Scooby Newbie Member#: 18508 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: OH-IO	it pisses me off because i want to profit 36 billion in my lifetime. it take me a year to make what they do in a minute

01-31-2006, 10:35 AM	#15
semabe Scooby Specialist Member#: 46282 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: NESIC Refugee Vehicle: 2011 STI Limited Pearlescent Eggplant	I paid $300 for my 30K including switching the diffs and trans to synthetic. As far as the gas goes, I get California Donkey Piss gas all year so stop whining (and I still get 24C/27H mileage.)

01-31-2006, 10:39 AM	#19
snvin Scooby Specialist Member#: 50578 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: -= /\ is awesome.=- Vehicle: 2009 2.5i. Bleh. -=Forza Azzurri=-	My car felt new after my 30K. Mileage went up 1 or 2 mpg too.

01-31-2006, 10:40 AM	#20
Protege Menace Scooby Specialist Member#: 41950 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: International Location: www.faqurug.com Vehicle: faq u rug ♔	i noticed I am only getting 240 miles on a tank of gas instead of my usual 320. its a HUGE diff. i thoguht it was because of my pad dragging on my rotor, but maybe not

01-31-2006, 10:41 AM	#21
vapore0n Scooby Specialist Member#: 21356 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2010 BMW 335i Blue	I avoid gas stations that have one hose for all 3 grades. Most of the time people buy the cheap stuff and you get a good gulp of cheap gas when you pour the 93 good stuff. At least I can notice it in my car. Also, only use Exxon. My car doesnt like other brands. As for 30k mile chekup, isnt it just a change of all fluids? (trany, motor, dif, brake) Id do it myself. Save $500

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Asinine Sufficiently Snarky Member#: 55173 Join Date: Feb 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: I beat up big rocks Vehicle: with paddles.	Oh, and I gotta replace my plugs, too, right?

01-31-2006, 10:45 AM	#25
timmah Scooby Specialist Member#: 54203 Join Date: Feb 2004 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Albany, NY Vehicle: 2011 WRX	isn't a big problem with mileage in the winter, denser air (at least up here in the cold states ) = more o2 = more fuel to cruise at normal AFRs. i could be wrong.