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Old 09-18-2001, 10:17 PM   #1
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Default 2000 Legacy rotors.....they suck

Ok, here's the scoop. I bought the car new. Dealer replaced the rotors at 20,000 miles because they were warped to hell. The car now has close to 40,000 miles and the crazy vibrations and shaking felt through the steering wheel has re-appeared during braking only. I replaced the brakes two weeks ago but might need to upgrade my rotors now.
Do you guys recommend any particular types(slotted, cross drilled) or specific brands.
All I do is commute in heavy traffic but drive fast (sometimes WAY too fast) when the road allows it. I just don't want to feel any shaking or vibrations when some a$$hole decides to switch lanes 100 feet in front of me. I know it's not the ABS coming on because that feels and sounds totally different. So what's the verdict??
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Old 09-18-2001, 11:24 PM   #2
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Default Yep

They do suck :-( I'm going to have mine either replaced or turned under warranty; when they go out again, which I expect they will, I'll be looking to replace them with some aftermarket rotors.

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Old 09-18-2001, 11:56 PM   #3
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I'd get slotted. Cross Drilled looks cool but they can warp or crack easier than solid rotors.

Huge debate over this every time someone asks about it.

Primitive Racing has slotted Brembo's for $180 for the fronts, I am pretty sure they will work on your car but you might double check.

It could be that your dealer or mechanic is putting too much torque on the wheel lug nuts. Anything much more than 75ft/lbs can and will warp the rotors.
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Old 09-19-2001, 08:27 AM   #4
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Default hmmmmmmmmm....

Well if you "replaced the brakes" I assume you mean new pads, if this is the case and you didn't get the rotors turned, then that would explain your problem. Every pad will seat differently, so a new surface is the only way to go.

I know you have the same rotor size as the 2.5 RS, I also then assume they are the same rotors... however through driving my fiancee's 2002 Legacy I'm 99% sure they are the same. I don't feel the rotor is the problem with the stock Subaru brakes. Pads, SS brake lines, and better fluid make the stock system better. now if your fading the brakes in traffic, you need to ease up on your driving.

If oddly warn rotors is the only issue, then maybe you should upgrade, but if your going to throw down for new rotors, better get new pads to offer proper seating.

This is all my opinion, but I feel that the stock Subaru system is great, and unless your hitting the Race Track the stock rotors do the job.. I've never faded mine in hard testing or while on the Marshalltown track.

I run stock rotors and pads, Goodridge SS lines and Valvoline sythentic brake fluid. I plan to upgrade pads and turn my rotors next spring.

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Old 09-19-2001, 12:11 PM   #5
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I warped my rotors at around 25k miles after installing Mintex 1155s (and getting the rotors turned) and then doing a two-day track event. Soon thereafter I installed cryo-treated Subaru OEM rotors, which never warped (I recently replaced them with around 35-38k miles). Those rotors were subjected to a couple track events (3 days on track), numerous auto-x events, and all sorts of barn-storming around the winding back roads of New England. All of the mileage was with the same type of pads (1155s) that warped the non-cryo'd stock rotors.

The rotors I just installed are non-cryo'd OEM-sized plain Brembo rotors, which I got from Diversified Cryogenics (www.frozenrotors.com) for I think $49 each (about 2/3 the cost of new Subaru rotors). I've only got about 1000 miles on them thus far, so I can't say how they'll hold up long term.

My suggestions? Get some good rotors, perhaps cryo-treated, and take care of them! I agree with Jon, the Subaru brakes are more than sufficient for hard street use. Break them in properly (see http://www.baer.com/bedding_street for details) and don't abuse them. What do I mean by that? Make sure you warm the brakes before you pound on them, and when you're done pounding on them, don't park the car immediately - allow the brakes to cool a bit first.

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Old 09-19-2001, 11:57 PM   #6
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Default Pat

Thanks for the great info but.... could you please clarify this paragraph.

"The rotors I just installed are non-cryo'd OEM-sized plain Brembo rotors, which I got from Diversified Cryogenics (www.frozenrotors.com) for I think $49 each (about 2/3 the cost of new Subaru rotors). I've only got about 1000 miles on them thus far, so I can't say how they'll hold up long term. "

You bought non-cryoed rotors from a cryogenic company for $49 each. I went to the website and I didnt see any non-cryoed products???

Please amplify

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Old 09-20-2001, 07:33 AM   #7
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Diversified will actually source rotors for you. When I had my OEM rotors cryo'd, I didn't have to got to my dealer, buy rotors, and then ship them to Diversified - they got them for me. When I bought my track-duty rotors (cryo treated Brembos) I discovered that Diversified could get plain Brembo rotors for me. No, they're not listed on the website, and maybe I could find them elsewhere cheaper, but I just went with Diversified. Various Subaru shops have Brembo stuff, but they sell all the silly slotted and cross-drilled rotors, which I don't need - I just wanted plain Brembos.

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Old 09-20-2001, 07:55 PM   #8
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Wink cryo does a rotor good!

if you guys have the time and the money (it's not THAT expensive) I can't recommend cryoing your rotors more! www.800below.com does it for cheap. plus also the breaking in and maintaining them also makes a difference: don't stand on the brakes after heavy usage and KEEP standing on them in traffic! the brake pads are compressing the rotor while it's still hot and therefore maleable! use the parking brake or put the car in park! (subie's use a inner drum rear rotor which doesn't use the rear pads to clamp onto the disc, therefore avoiding the same compression.) i'm pretty sure that's the #1 cause of warped rotors.


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Old 09-22-2001, 10:29 AM   #9
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makes sense now. Thanks Pat, that does seem like a good price even for just the regular Brembo rotors.
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Old 09-22-2001, 10:34 AM   #10
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Chris may be on to something.

I do many track days... been lucky enough to not have major issues.
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Old 01-08-2002, 10:32 AM   #11
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Bump... good info here...

Pat, anything else you want to share on the rotors?

Question, I've got 25K on my 00 GT. How'd you guys get em replaced under warranty? I've got some warpage (heh... some) and would like to get the rotors replaced as cheaply as possible... So free under warranty would be super!

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Old 01-08-2002, 11:40 AM   #12
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Question Non GT Brakes

I have a 2001 L Wagon -10.7 in Front Discs - Twin Piston Calipers - Are Brembo Discs ave. for these or only the GT 11.4 in Discs.

How hard would it be to put the bigger GT/OB Discs on an L. I would think that the Twin Piston Caliper would be the same so a bracket should do it but if the headlights are different you never know...

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Old 01-08-2002, 11:44 AM   #13
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Default do what I did......

Wow, the threads been ressurected.

Just take the car back and tell them your problem. When he tells you it's the rotors indicate to them you find the rotor quality unacceptable. The dealer sided with me and threw them on at no cost. I guess it depends on your dealer and your demeanor.

BTW- I take back what I said on the rotors sucking. After they were replaced, my original problems started occuring again. So I had them recut and resurfaced AND also changed my braking style. 20K miles later I have not had any problems. All along it was me who had the problem. I was always slamming on the brakes and stopping short. My rotors are still smooth to this day. I also don't wash my wheels right after I drive. If you don't abuse your brakes, the rotors work fine. I wish I could say the same about the tranny.

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Old 01-08-2002, 12:21 PM   #14
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Guys, here in Puerto Rico we upgrade the brakes to the '01 H6 brake in the outbacks and legacies.

You might want to try this plus add the sloted rotors to boost.

Just get the H6 rotors and calliper mounts. That's it!!!!

I did it on my '00 Outback which was on the 3rd set of rotors!

Just find someone in your area with a WRX that has upgraded to 4pots and do an offer for the caliper mounts. Rotors are usually $200. for the set.

Leo

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If you don't abuse your brakes, the rotors work fine.
You'll be able to abuse them once again
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Old 01-08-2002, 12:57 PM   #15
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I have a set of the 11.4" rotors/calipers/pads that came on the Legacy GT/WRX/Outback on my 93 Turbo and i must say that they're very nice. I'm not easy on brakes, but these have held up good in the extreme heat and bitter cold.
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I had pretty much the same problem with me 00 GT my 01GT brakes are much nicer. During stopping the brakes were awful made noise felt like it was grinding and u could feel it in the wheel. Just like u mentioned earlier.
After bothering the dealership enough and having them try a few different things ( I can't remember them all off hand). I believe they replaced the pads in the back thats where the problem was and tehy replaced the "shims" (sp?) I believe they are pieces that keep the brakes balanced and even or something not exactly sure. Now the brakes have no problems what so ever. Not sure if the is the same thing you are feeling but thought I would share.
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Old 01-09-2002, 11:09 AM   #17
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Thanks for the input, but no, I replaced the pads at Summit Point, and I think that the break in I did may have warped them.

For future reference, if you get a lot of squeeling from your brakes, you may be down to the indicators on the pads. This lets you know that you are probably in need of new pads.

Bill from frozenrotors.com called me at about 5:30 last night for the quote I requested on a set of rotors. At ~$50 for each rotor to start (brembo oem equivolent) I was pretty happy with that. I'm going to try the dealer first, as that would be free... and free is good.

I've got to remember to request to go with the tech so I can point out the problem.

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Old 01-09-2002, 01:55 PM   #18
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Default Re: Non GT Brakes

Quote:
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I have a 2001 L Wagon -10.7 in Front Discs - Twin Piston Calipers - Are Brembo Discs ave. for these or only the GT 11.4 in Discs.
My '97 2.5GT has the same brakes as your L, with the smaller 10.7" front discs. The GT didn't get the bigger front discs until '00 or later (I'm not even sure if the '00 cars have the bigger discs). Anyway, the answer is Yes, the Brembo rotors are available for your brakes. As far as I know Brembo does not sell replacements for the bigger 11.4" GT/OB/WRX discs.

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How hard would it be to put the bigger GT/OB Discs on an L. I would think that the Twin Piston Caliper would be the same so a bracket should do it but if the headlights are different you never know...

Ken
Your thinking is correct - the only difference is the rotor itself and the caliper bracket.

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Pat, anything else you want to share on the rotors?
They're kinda round, flat-ish, and silver. I think they're made of some sort of metal.

The cryo-treated Brembos I use for track days are still in excellent shape. Summit Point beat them up pretty good, but they took the lickin' and keep on stoppin'. I will definitely add cooling ducts to them in the future.

The non-cryo'd Brembos I use on the streets with Mintex 1155s have developed a little bit of a "nibble". (That's what the guy at Diversified called it - just a slight vibration in the pedal under braking). I'm still very happy with them. I think I'm getting close to replacement time on the Mintex pads, which have a reputation for being hard on rotors, and there's still tons of life left in this set of discs. With these available for $49 + S/H, and new Subaru rotos costing $72 + tax at the dealership, this is a no-brainer choice for me.

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Old 01-16-2002, 10:44 PM   #19
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I know it's a little late, but I did this write up on cross-drilled vs. slotted a while back.....I think I posted it here at one point and time. It's on my site if anyone wants to do some reading, under notes & tips

Anyone running a set of 4 pots on their legacy? If so, are they Sti or other?

Also what's probably the biggest rotor/caliper setup I could get in a 16" wheel?

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