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Old 01-24-2006, 01:03 AM   #1
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Default SPT and Warranty... worth it?

I bought my '06 WRX from one of the worst dealers ever (not knowing at the time) and I don't think I will ever want to bring it to them for any work or service. However, I noticed a Subaru dealer in Rye that will do work to your car but I'm assuming it has to be SPT. Is it worth it to purchase/use SPT parts in order to keep your warranty? Or is just barely better than stock and over priced for what it is? My WRX is bone stock and I'm trying to plan the best route to start upgrading this summer. I'd probably start with a dp and cat back since I'd like to keep 1 cat in the midpipe. Then tires and stiffen it up a little. But I'm just curious about SPT parts.
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Old 01-24-2006, 01:42 AM   #2
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Using SPT parts won't preserve any more warranty than will other non-original parts. If you really want to avoid any potential warranty problems, don't bother with the DP (it can be argued that increased power could lead to powertrain problems, even if you leave aside the emissions issues [the shop can be fined $20k for removing/not replacing a cat]).
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Old 01-24-2006, 01:53 AM   #3
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Oh, when I purchased the car I asked about mods and stuff and they said as long as it's Subaru parts it will be covered and not to buy junk off ebay lol I assumed SPT was Subaru certified or whatever you want to call it. So *** lol What options do I have of upgrading my WRX while maintaining the warranty... to an extent lol I don't mean what parts, I mean what company/companies. Also, anyone have experience with the Rye dealership? The guy seemed very friendly over the phone.
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:40 AM   #4
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Hah - don't.

If you don't wanna take chances - don't mod till you're "ready."
It's that simple.
I've had my 06 only for a few months now, and am at Stage1 (very soon to be 2) already.
It's your choice - but you have to make a choice.

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I have SPT exhaust on mine...............do you think I worry about denial of warranty from a stupid cat-back? ROFL
I'd laugh in their faces......just like anyone else here would.

Good luck with your 06.
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Old 01-24-2006, 08:09 AM   #5
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do service items yourself at home. Its pretty easy and simple.

The thing is that if you stick to stp items you won't have many options for mods.

just buy whatever part you like put it on your car. If you really have to bring in the car for warranty just put your stock parts back on.
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Old 01-24-2006, 03:02 PM   #6
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just buy whatever part you like put it on your car. If you really have to bring in the car for warranty just put your stock parts back on.
And then if there is a problem related to that modification, it will only take longer to figure it out.

Plus, we always know when something was on the car and taken off.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:29 PM   #7
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Subaru is now covering some SPT and STi parts for the WRX according to article in this month's SubiSport magazine. Article refers readers to www.spt.subaru.com.
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:45 PM   #8
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Plus, we always know when something was on the car and taken off.
O RLY!?

If he takes his SPT catback off (assuming there r no other mods) and does a normal, clean job - can u tell?
I doubt it........unless many miles have gone by and the pieces simply look too nice.
Don't get me wrong Sub employees; i would also hate to have some punk-ass kid staring me right in the eye swearing on the grave of his great, great uncle-the pirate-that he "never" did anything aside from sex in his car.........only to find out it was butchered then returned to stock for repairs.

All in all - like i wrote above - if anyone us these ppl have only a cat-back on their car, it's simply laughable to even try to deny any warranty work b/c of it.

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Old 01-24-2006, 07:49 PM   #9
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Also, you could focus on your suspension until you're ready for more power.
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Old 01-25-2006, 02:12 PM   #10
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Thanks for the help guys. I guess I'll stick to top grade products and not worry about a warranty. I was just wondering if it was worth it to get STP parts. However, I may look into certain STi parts.
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In the end, anything you do might be called into question should you have a problem, such is life dealing with dealerships. Trying to find any dealerships that might have better attitudes than others goes a long way. Some places will just ask that you put all the original parts back on your car before they warranty something, which is kind of fair, all in all. Just be aware of the mods you do and what consequences they may have. I would love to throw a huge turbo on my car and all that, but then Subaru would rightly pretty much not cover crap if I had a problem with the engine or tranny. If it is worth it to you to mod, do it. If not, don't.
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O RLY!?

If he takes his SPT catback off (assuming there r no other mods) and does a normal, clean job - can u tell?
I doubt it........unless many miles have gone by and the pieces simply look too nice.-99
First of all, yes, we can tell....
Second, there are tell-tale signs whether a part has been removed and/or reinstalled....just like there are ways of telling if a car has been in an accident, no matter how good the body work is....

It's a secret of the trade, and if I tell you , they will have to kill me...
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First of all, yes, we can tell....
Second, there are tell-tale signs whether a part has been removed and/or reinstalled....just like there are ways of telling if a car has been in an accident, no matter how good the body work is....

It's a secret of the trade, and if I tell you , they will have to kill me...
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In the end, anything you do might be called into question should you have a problem, such is life dealing with dealerships. Trying to find any dealerships that might have better attitudes than others goes a long way. Some places will just ask that you put all the original parts back on your car before they warranty something, which is kind of fair, all in all. Just be aware of the mods you do and what consequences they may have. I would love to throw a huge turbo on my car and all that, but then Subaru would rightly pretty much not cover crap if I had a problem with the engine or tranny. If it is worth it to you to mod, do it. If not, don't.

Kind of fair?


That's pretty damn nice considering that they would be COMMITING FRAUD for you.
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do service items yourself at home. Its pretty easy and simple.

The thing is that if you stick to stp items you won't have many options for mods.

just buy whatever part you like put it on your car. If you really have to bring in the car for warranty just put your stock parts back on.

1: Service items at home.

Hmmm, great idea. Don't spend any money at the dealership, have no repoire with them and expect them to side with you in the event of a warranty claim.

2: SPT offers a fair amount of accessories that is continuing to grow. The catback exhaust and air intake are two nice options as well as the multitude of suspension options.

3: HA!! Don't get me started on that. Even a otherwise stock car with a reflash will be noticed by a tech or service writer/manager with some experience with the car (Tuners can never seem to get the idle or cold start right)
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1: Service items at home.

Hmmm, great idea. Don't spend any money at the dealership, have no repoire with them and expect them to side with you in the event of a warranty claim.
I don't have a problem with fixing, servicing my car myself. It saves money and I get to work on my car
2: SPT offers a fair amount of accessories that is continuing to grow. The catback exhaust and air intake are two nice options as well as the multitude of suspension options.
other than suspension stuff I feel the SPT catalogue is pretty weak. I am not in the need for keychains and mugs
3: HA!! Don't get me started on that. Even a otherwise stock car with a reflash will be noticed by a tech or service writer/manager with some experience with the car (Tuners can never seem to get the idle or cold start right) I can't argue with this. A smart pro can probably tell the car has been messed with but if you return it completely stock including the ECU you should be fine.
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Kind of fair?


That's pretty damn nice considering that they would be COMMITING FRAUD for you.
How would they be commiting fraud? I'm not saying that if someone sprays a 150 shot of nitrous and blows the damn pistons out the side of the car that they should warranty that. But if someone who has a car that pulls to the right for no reason and happens to have bigger sway bars and an anti-lift kit goes in to ask that the dealer help find out what is wrong, it does not necessarily mean the modifications have caused the problem. The dealer should not turn away from helping someone/providing the warranty coverage to someone just because they are into their car(whose hobby/passion is supporting the operation of the dealership) and may have modified a part of the vehicle. Or say the engine in someones car does blow and that person has a catback on the car. Pretty sure the catback would not have caused catastrophic engine failure. The dealer could either screw the customer by saying the aftermarket part voided the entire powertrain warranty, or they could be good about it and seek the true cause, covering it under the warranty if the aftermarket part did not cause the problem.

That was all I was saying.
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How would they be commiting fraud? I'm not saying that if someone sprays a 150 shot of nitrous and blows the damn pistons out the side of the car that they should warranty that. But if someone who has a car that pulls to the right for no reason and happens to have bigger sway bars and an anti-lift kit goes in to ask that the dealer help find out what is wrong, it does not necessarily mean the modifications have caused the problem. The dealer should not turn away from helping someone/providing the warranty coverage to someone just because they are into their car(whose hobby/passion is supporting the operation of the dealership) and may have modified a part of the vehicle. Or say the engine in someones car does blow and that person has a catback on the car. Pretty sure the catback would not have caused catastrophic engine failure. The dealer could either screw the customer by saying the aftermarket part voided the entire powertrain warranty, or they could be good about it and seek the true cause, covering it under the warranty if the aftermarket part did not cause the problem.

That was all I was saying.
A car that is pulling to the right and has a ALK installed on it is probably pulling to the right because it is no longer in proper alignment. The ALK affects the suspension geometry by moving the alignment of the lower control arm,this in turn increases the caster by a few degrees.

So, why should the dealer re-align the car to repair a problem that is caused by your tinkering (assuming the tires and struts check good)

The dealership CANNOT void your warranty, only SOA can do that. We can however deny coverage on a case by case basis.

The only ways that the vehicle warranty can be voided are:

Vehicle is declared a total loss

Vehicle is taken outside of SOA reciprocal warranty coverage area (U.S/Canada/PR) and requires repair. Repairs performed within SOA warranty coverage area will still be performed (I:E you take your car to Germany and a wheel bearing goes out at 45k you are paying for it, bring the vehicle back to the U.S and SOA will pay for it)

Vehicle is used for competitive racing (Pastrana,Block,Richard,Irish Mike,ESX etc..... = no warranty)

Last one being if your screen name is SilverSubaab, you will have no warranty coverage, period, cuz Chuck Norris said so.
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I don't understand, I essentially agree with what you are saying... If it is the customers fault as the problem was caused by something he did, then Subaru should not have to pay for it. But if something goes wrong with the car that is a not the fault of the customer or anything he did, then Subaru should be held to their original agreement as put forth by the vehicles warranty. But to have a dealership look at a car that has a loud catback exhaust on it and say "We are not going to service the car for warranty work at all because of that(catback)" is abuse of their position and wrong, IMO. Like most things, situations are best handled on a case-by-case basis.

And my 06 WRX TR says "Subaru" on the back...and you will service it, damn it!
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I don't understand, I essentially agree with what you are saying... If it is the customers fault as the problem was caused by something he did, then Subaru should not have to pay for it. [b] [color=Red]But if something goes wrong with the car that is a not the fault of the customer or anything he did, then Subaru should be held to their original agreement as put forth by the vehicles warranty. But to have a dealership look at a car that has a loud catback exhaust on it and say "We are not going to service the car for warranty work at all because of that(catback)" is abuse of their position and wrong, IMO. Like most things, situations are best handled on a case-by-case basis.
1. This is what dealers are supposed to do. True, there are dealers out there that don't, but like hondaslayer will tell you, they are the exception, not the rule.

2. If this happens, the customer should report the dealer to SOA. It has been drilled in our heads that we have to prove the mod/abuse caused the failure. If we can't determine the reason, we have to call SOA with all the facts and they make the call. They know what can and cannot cause a component to fail. Will a catback cause a failure? Haven't seen one yet....
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I didn't tell them how, just that we can tell......
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First of all, yes, we can tell....
Second, there are tell-tale signs whether a part has been removed and/or reinstalled....just like there are ways of telling if a car has been in an accident, no matter how good the body work is....

It's a secret of the trade, and if I tell you , they will have to kill me...
(but I am serious, there are ways..)
If a part has been changed like the exhaust all you have to say is a gasket or piece failed and that's why it was fixed. Also the computer can be cleared with a little know how. When there is security or ways to tell, there is always an industirious person that figures away around these measure. Just like with anything like cd copy protection and playing burned games on an Xbox. Where there is a will there is a way. I gaurentee it. Plus some of us know Subaru emplyees and a little good green smoke gets them talking around these parts Some things never change around this site. It is pretty depressing. iwsti,com FTW!
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If a part has been changed like the exhaust all you have to say is a gasket or piece failed and that's why it was fixed. Also the computer can be cleared with a little know how. When there is security or ways to tell, there is always an industirious person that figures away around these measure. Just like with anything like cd copy protection and playing burned games on an Xbox. Where there is a will there is a way. I gaurentee it. Plus some of us know Subaru emplyees and a little good green smoke gets them talking around these parts Some things never change around this site. It is pretty depressing. iwsti,com FTW!
And if the repair was made under warranty, (the "repair" for the gasket, etc), Subaru has a record of that. They also call components back that are repaired under warranty. When they get it, they can determine whether it was failed, etc.

1. For example. A customer reinstalls the factory exhaust on the car because he is having trans problems. He's afraid the dealer might say something about his exhaust. The tech looks at the car and does his checking and determines the exhaust has been removed at some point. The customer says he previously had a problem with an exhaust leak that was fixed;
a: at another dealer--there will be a record of this if it is the truth. If not, then the exhaust has been removed and reinstalled,
B; The customer did it himself-the customer was in there tampering and could have damaged something. If it was a matter for warranty, they should have went to the dealer to have it documented and repaired

Next, don't you think Subaru knows all the ways people think they can get around the system? An ECM isn't usually going to say why a transmission failed. But the burnt tires, clutch, fluids, and other things will. ANd when those things are replaced to "cover up", that is even more of a tell tale sign
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some of the stuff is decent, but you can't get some of the good stuff through SPT/STi. Actually, although more comparably expensive, you could actually do quite a bit for handling going the STi/Group N parts route...very little for power though.

Know that you should have no problems with modding if you do it right...don't automatically go with the least expensive...and don't automatically go with the most expensive. Reasearch it and you will be safe and happy.
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And if the repair was made under warranty, (the "repair" for the gasket, etc), Subaru has a record of that. They also call components back that are repaired under warranty. When they get it, they can determine whether it was failed, etc.

1. For example. A customer reinstalls the factory exhaust on the car because he is having trans problems. He's afraid the dealer might say something about his exhaust. The tech looks at the car and does his checking and determines the exhaust has been removed at some point. The customer says he previously had a problem with an exhaust leak that was fixed;
a: at another dealer--there will be a record of this if it is the truth. If not, then the exhaust has been removed and reinstalled,
B; The customer did it himself-the customer was in there tampering and could have damaged something. If it was a matter for warranty, they should have went to the dealer to have it documented and repaired

Next, don't you think Subaru knows all the ways people think they can get around the system? An ECM isn't usually going to say why a transmission failed. But the burnt tires, clutch, fluids, and other things will. ANd when those things are replaced to "cover up", that is even more of a tell tale sign

Having you car seriviced at another place besides a suby dealership does not viod the warranty and they would have no access to these records unless the customer provided them. You guys know it all. I give up, you will never change your biased opinions. You cannot look at anything without a company view. It is sad. btw my car is still stock.
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