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Old 02-01-2006, 08:25 PM   #1
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Default Anyone want to buy a Nikon D50??!!

I have a Nikon D50 that I got for Christmas, I was hoping that it would end up working for me but after using it a couple of times I'm really wanting the extra features of the D70s. I have the camera and $200 worth of extra goodies for it. I'll sell it for $800 with everything. So basically your buying a brand new camera and im giving you all the extras for free!! PM with any questions.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:14 AM   #2
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hmm no offense or disrespect but that is pretty expensive for that camera considering you could get one for 649 plus 7 dollar shipping from new egg . com with full warranty and such... good luck though!
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Old 02-02-2006, 11:44 AM   #3
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oh well i didnt know you could get them for that cheap, i paid 800 for mine from ritz and thats what just about every camera shop sells them for. Mine has all the warrenty cards and everything for it as well so you wouldnt be missing out on any of that plus, a bag, book, 512mb ultra 2 card, uv filter and a couple other things.

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Old 02-02-2006, 12:56 PM   #4
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Ahh Ritz! that explains it.. although they are a great store, they are quite high. I'm a film maker but also a professional photographer as well. As soon as I found out about new egg, I started going there and no where else..world class service and you can save ungodly amounts on stuff as well. Anyhow, usually when you sell stuff you take a bath on the accessories EXCLUDING lenses. optics are very expensive. If you want a D70.. you would probe be best off to keep the extras that didn't come with your D50 like the card since it will most likely work on the new camera and lower the price a bit and sell it on craigs list or something. Just my .02 but I have found if there isnt incentive or really good saving then people will just buy new. ALso If I might ask? why would you want to spend that kind of money on a D70? 6.1 megpixles along with some of its other features is quite out of line for the price.. For about the same money, or maybe a bit less on new egg even... you could get a Canon rebel XT which is far superior and totally out classes a D70 all in all aspects. nikons digital SLR's just can't compete with canon's these days.... not like the film days for sure. -- andy
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yeah I bought a nikon S4 at ritz and could have saved serious cash just buying one online. buy your next camera online and save a hundy or two. d50 i think is really nice. then again im just an average dude idk much
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+1 on the rebel xt! i got mine at xmas time, awesome camera........only if i knew how to really take good pics
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thing is i am looking at getting the d70 lens or maybe a sigma and after that i will be spending almost as much anyways, and the cards are dif. d50 uses SD d70 uses compact flash. You really think the cannons are so much better i have been hearing the opposite from most people and i really dont like how the cannons feel. How much do you think i could get for this setup, i found a deal on a d70
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or go to costco, they got the d50 for cheap and I love my canon, i bought a few years ago, the S50. nice little camera, kinda heavy but the pictures come out great for a compact camera.
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That's pretty funny.. I would like to know who is saying that the Nikons are so much better than canon's.. They get the ass-hat of the year award lol. I'm just messin.. I'm not a dick like that but I can assure you that they don't know much about cameras. I'll put this in terms that apply to this site we are on. As far as performance goes.. the D50 is a 2.5 RS, The D70 is a 2.0 liter WRX and The rebel XT is an 06 STi

Also, the rebel XT has won basically every award.. is world renowned, and is always top on the list for cameras in the price range you are looking at. The D70 is not only a consumer camera.. but an over priced one too. Where as the Rebel XT is priced for a consumer but has more higher end professional insides and 8 megapixles. Pretty sad that some $h*t box little pocket sized point and shoots would have 7 megapixles and a SLR over $900 has 6.. hmmm.

I do understand where you are coming from about the feeling of the rebel though. It is made out of a high quality plastic.. it can feel a bit cheezy because this but it really is effective for keeping the weight down which is a plus.. you can cary the rebel around and not suffer too much like other SLR's. All the other canon Slr's are not plastic though and feel .. well ..amazing.. and cost between 1,500-9,000 as well..

Canon has the fastest digital SLR in the world.. 1D Mark IIN 8 pics per second... brand new camera.. amazing!!!!

Highest Resolution Digital camera in the world.. 1D'S MarkII 17 megapixles

Only full frame 35mm sensors on digital still cameras in the world.. 5D and 1D's Mark II

Highest quality CMOS complimentary metal oxide semiconductor .. image sensor of any digital SLR cameras .. period!

Nikon just cant compete In the high end SLR's...

Also to answer another statement you had made... I personally would not put a sigma or any other non NIKON lens on a nikon. The one thing nikon does well is make GREAT.. world class lenses. The color saturation is pretty much un beatable.. which is the only reason someone would put up with their lagging technology and high dollar for nothing cameras. Canon makes very fine lenses too.. but I would say nikons are the best.. and they are also realllllllly expensive.. So, having said that.. if you arent willing to spend three arms and a leg on all nikon lenses.. I wouldn't buy a nikon..

Rebel XT is still the best camera on the market period.. for the money! it is def the sti of SLR's

again I am a professional photographer.. I know a LOT about cameras... trust me!! or dont and look it up but you will see what I am talking about.

to answer your question about how to sell yours for.. I am not sure and dont want to misguide you.. i'd look on Ebay and see what the going rate seems to be on used ones in the condition of yours. again good luck! and go try out these cameras and read on them before you BUY!!

my newest toy is a canon EOS 20D with a fish eye lens, 18-55mm lens, 50mm lens, 70- 300 mm lens, 500mm high speed zoom lens.. vertical battery grip, canon speed light hot shoe flash, and a ultra high speed 4 GIG 80X CF type II micro drive card. over $4,000 retail.. so watch it.. it gets expensive FAST lol.. if i sold all my stuff.. well.. id have an 05 STI not 05RS sport lol - andy

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I have a 2.5rs of cameras but I'm just starting out and don't know all the stuff about photography it gets the job done for me. Although I definetly would take the advice of a professional photographer kind of makes me wish I knew before getting mine. I'm satisfied though.
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Highest Resolution Digital camera in the world.. 1D'S MarkII 17 megapixles.
I gotta be the Web police on this one, sorry. There's actually a 39 MP camera made by Hasselblad called the CF-39MS. This puppy retails for $38,000.00 (yes I didn't add too many zeros in there)... but MP aren't everything.
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hey now now... I didn't mean that as a bad thing! I have a 2.5RS car and love it.. I would like an STi once I'm over 25.. but you see... they make 25 jillion different cameras for a reason.. no camera is perfect.. and everyone has different needs.. Nothing wrong with the D50 or D70.. the fact that one has a DSLR is great regardless what kind... just to be nit picky.. IMOP spending the money on a D70 vs Rebel XT is not the best route.. enjoy your SLR though.. they are sweet.. AND.. to all with DSLR's keep the hole for the lens CLOSED UP AT ALL COSTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.. it is very dusty in this town and the sensor has a static charge and it will ruin you pics and costs between 35 - 50 bucks to have it cleaned.. im having mine cleaned 3rd time in three months because i change lenses alot.. -- andy
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I gotta be the Web police on this one, sorry. There's actually a 39 MP camera made by Hasselblad called the CF-39MS. This puppy retails for $38,000.00 (yes I didn't add too many zeros in there)... but MP aren't everything.

HAHAHA.. wow.. yea so I totally left my self open to that one.. I didn't expect that which is why I wasnt specific.. but I have to say I am quite impressed lol.

I was referring to single lens reflex cameras when I was giving those facts.. and that is not a SLR... it's a medium format camera which would never be compared to a SLR.. totally different beast.. but I didn't specify so YA GOT ME lol. I have seen those before and i have to say that THOSE ARE SO SWEEEET OMG. It would be pretty foolish to buy one since technology changes at the rate it does... cameras of that price are what you would call rental material... some studios may buy some.. but usually people rent those high dollar ones. I have a medium format film camera.... pretty cool stuff.. the resolution is insane... so that is why the digital is equally insane.. and I dont even blink at price like that.. this stuff is soo expensive.. esp at the professional level.. The price on that camera for what it is is act quite reasonable. and CMOS Hi def video cameras are like between two and three HUNDRED thousand thats six zeros lol... as a cinematography student.. well.. money has a new meaning lol.. the stuff is so expensive.. that is why movies and such cost six figure millions and dont make money.. - andy

ps... you are very right about mega pixles not being everything.. but once you start cropping.. or adding photshoping.. the more the merrier

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hey now now... I didn't mean that as a bad thing! I have a 2.5RS car and love it..
haha I was just messing around.
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So which camera is the best? Because I'm in the market for a new dig. camera.

BTW, I love taking pics (not just of parties), I mean I LOVE doing photoshoots with cars! You can get so much emo out of car photoshoots haha

But in seriousness, I want a GOOD/GREAT camera for a shoot. I had a $90 Kodak EasyShare from Wal*Mart and that thing was BOMB, still someone stole it at school.
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lol yea... that is a question that is impossible to answer... are you looking for a compact point and shoot camera... SLR-like camera... or an SLR? I could point you in the right direction in any of those categories.. some are wayyy better than others!
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I actually did do my reading before looking for a camera, I personally did not buy the d50, it was a christmas present, i really wanted a d70s but everyone was pitching in and there wasn't enough money for it. I respect your opinion since you are a professional photographer, but much of what i have heard about the nikons has come from other profrssional photographers. Yes the cannons have higher megapixels but as said by someone else megapixels arent everything, i will rarely if ever by making prints larger then 8x10 so the extra megapixels really mean nothing. I would rather have the improved image sharpness, color quality, camera feel, autofocus and better lens selection of the nikons. If the cannons are so much better cameras why is the d70 the best selling slr?
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So which camera is the best? Because I'm in the market for a new dig. camera.

BTW, I love taking pics (not just of parties), I mean I LOVE doing photoshoots with cars! You can get so much emo out of car photoshoots haha

But in seriousness, I want a GOOD/GREAT camera for a shoot. I had a $90 Kodak EasyShare from Wal*Mart and that thing was BOMB, still someone stole it at school.
looking at reviews online is a great way to decide. an slr is for people that are serious about pictures. look around on factory websites and decide what cameras fit your budget and style. then lookup whatever camera it is and the word "review" in a search engine. I should have done more research when i bought my coolpixS4. I wanted a small ultra zoom so I bought it even though there are better reviews on other cameras.
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I actually did do my reading before looking for a camera, I personally did not buy the d50, it was a christmas present, i really wanted a d70s but everyone was pitching in and there wasn't enough money for it. I respect your opinion since you are a professional photographer, but much of what i have heard about the nikons has come from other profrssional photographers. Yes the cannons have higher megapixels but as said by someone else megapixels arent everything, i will rarely if ever by making prints larger then 8x10 so the extra megapixels really mean nothing. I would rather have the improved image sharpness, color quality, camera feel, autofocus and better lens selection of the nikons. If the cannons are so much better cameras why is the d70 the best selling slr?
Hmm... well that is all news to me my friend! It is obvious that you have your mind set on the D70 and that is what you are determined to get and are not willing to listen to anything about any other cameras... so I think you should just get the D70 if that is what makes you happy.. However, just incase other members are in the market for these cameras.. I have to correct your horribly erroneous statements with the real hard facts... even if it only helps one person.. it's worth my time to me. I am not sure who or where you get your info from.. but you are terribly misguided.

The D70 does not have improved or better image sharpness over the Digital rebel XT. The old original digital rebel with the 6MP sensor was not as good as the nikon D70. However, the new digital rebel XT with the 8 MP CMOS sensor has outstanding image quality.. The Rebel XT's image quality is the BEST image quality in any SLR 1,000 dollars or under. And the D70 is the number TWO right behind it.. that is a proven fact! both are highly respectable in the top two positions.

The feeling of the cameras is completely subjective.. One does not really have a better feel than the other.. its strictly individual taste.. Fact is... neither camera's are metal... that is what makes a camera.. like my 20D.. feel nice... The D70 and rebel XT are made of the same type of plastic.. and are about the same size and weight.. Nikon does however put a rubber grip on the D70.. this may be why you like it more... many people complain it hinders them when taking vertical pictures... well.. that.. and the fact that you can NOT add a vertical grip to the D70. The canon has no rubber on the body but you CAN add a vertical grip... which I have on my 20D.. not sure what id do without it.. its a heavy camera and it kills the wrists without it..

You also mentioned that the nikon has a better auto focus.. again.. WRONG.. Fact is.. the REBEL XT has a TREMENDOUS advantage over the D70 as far as auto focus is concerned. Not only is the canons auto focus MUCH faster and more advanced than the nikon.. it also Has 7 points of evaluation versus the nikons 5.

Above you mention that you have a better lens selection with a nikon... that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard canon has the largest selection of lenses on the market. period. and thats a fact! any Ef or Ef-s lens.. even from the 1960's will fit and work perfectly. only A mounts will work on the nikon.. not the older ones...

and your very last statement how the D70 is the best selling SLR on the market is by far the most ridiculous of them all. Nikon, does not have the best selling Digital camera in any category. and THAT is a fact!

Also a fact that the original rebel started the whole 'prosumer' DSLR market and its the number one reason the market is how it is now.. and they are still number one.. In fact canon is the undisputed world leader in DSLR's they have over 80% of the professional market.. that more than a landslide.. and they out sell nikons by over a 3:1 ratio... sorry.. everyone thinks they are a pro these days with digital cameras.. too bad they aren't..
I have a degree in photography as well as a full member of the trade... get what makes you happy.. but don;t think those crazy things above are true.. - andy


here is part of the review from the number one review sight since i cant do links..

In 2003, Canon opened the floodgates for affordable digital single lens reflex (D-SLR) cameras with the 6-megapixel Digital Rebel, the first digital camera with an interchangeable lens for under $1,000 dollars. Now, the company has blown away the competition with the introduction of the new 8 MP Digital Rebel XT. I know Nikon fans will groan but this fact is hard to deny, even with the introduction of the slightly enhanced 6 MP Nikon 70s. Although you can still purchase the Rebel for $799 with a lens, we strongly urge you to spend the extra money for the XT ($999 with the lens). Not only is picture quality improved, thanks to new circuitry dubbed DIGIC II by Canon, but the D-SLR operates much faster and the battery lasts longer. Response time is almost instantaneous from the time you focus to saving the image to the card. It's very close to the more expensive and highly rated Canon EOS 20D, which costs hundreds more. The new camera is not only more potent, it weighs slightly less than the Digital Rebel (17.1 ounces versus 19.7). In case you couldn't tell, we really loved this camera. For the record, the new 6MP Pentax *ist DL is the lightest D-SLR at 16.6 ounces and it's due in July. For an extra half-ounce, we'll definitely choose the XT.
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nikon makes me feel like im from japan and so does my subaru. thats why I like nikon and thats why I like subaru. sugoi!
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What features about the D70s over the D50 were you looking for?

Canon, Nikon, Olympus, etc..whatever..if you want the best image quality go out and get a Leica system or step up to 4x5. Digital cameras have a huge convenience factor, that's why they are so appealing. My mother's P/S Panasonic camera yields (in my eyes) finer images, better color and resolution than snaps from my D70. The problem is that it only shoots in JPG mode and not RAW like the D70, so making prints with it is a no go. But for purely web images, that little Panasonic with the Leitz optics would be my choice. My background is 4x5 and 7x17, so my preference is always going to be image quality.

My advice is:

Forget about about reviews, manufacturer websites, etc....

Go out and shoot some more. Attend a weekend workshop. Discuss and learn with others in your situation what works and what doesn't. There is bound to be a camera club in your area. Just beware of people throwing out facts, stats, etc..many times these people collect gear and rarely photograph. You'll know it when you see them. It will be obvious.

Even better, go into a large camera shop and test fire some cameras, upload images to a laptop and look at them onscreen in a pic viewer or Photoshop. Zoom in, play with them, etc. See what is onscreen. Judge for yourself. Too many variables in printing, so I would not bother with that at this point.

I don't have a degree in photography, but I did run the oldest photography workshop program in the world in Yosemite for 10 years....right up until i got deployed to Iraq. I have seen tens of thousands of people with their gear in Yosemite and Monterey/Carmel. I have also seen their problems and successes. A lot of people go out and buy top of the line gear and could have done just as well with consumer level equipment.

Don't toss the D50 based on a bulleted list of features you may have seen somewhere. Oh...and you can get a vertical grip for the D70. Two third party manufacturers produce them. Stay away from the photography magazines. Go out and talk to real people.

If you do go out and buy a camera, try http://www.bhphoto.com Yeah, they are ******** over there, but generally a good and safe place to buy equipment.

Now, I am not a true Nikon fan, just an owner. I needed something to record what I was seeing in the ****hole called Iraq. The D70 did just fine all year after getting tossed around in Blackhawks and 1114s.

One last thing to consider. The camera body isn't as important as the optic. Save some money and upgrade your lenses instead. No third party lenses. All AF lenses are cheaply built, and not as silky smooth or sturdy as a manual, but third party leneses like Sigma and Tamron are going to be a little worse. Stay with Nikon or Canon, whatever you end up with.

Remember: YOU make photographs, not your camera. It's just a tool.

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thanks 280, your advice was very helpful and almost exactly the same as a pro photographer that owns a shop in the area. He has been shooting every type of photography for 35 years and also gave me the same advice. I have decided to stick with my D50 for now and get a lens instead. I am almost sure on the 18-70, i did concider the sigma 18-125 for the extra zoom but now am leaning more towards the nikon after input from some REAL people as you said.

I also have been checking out B&H on a recomendation from a guy at another pro camera shop in town, they seem to have a great selection.
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I think you will be much better off looking at optics instead of getting a different body. Never a big fan of zooms, but I know Nikon made a 24-120 D and G lens. G would be the latest version unless they have something else out now. Nice compact do many things at once lens.

Look at http://www.keh.com as well. I have done well with these guys over the years. Buying used can save some bucks.

Good luck.

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haha thats funny i have also been checking keh on recomondation from the same guy.
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:12 PM   #25
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Remember: YOU make photographs, not your camera. It's just a tool.
Although I wholeheartedly agree with the advice you gave, I have to say that the above quoted statement is completely false as far as digital cameras go.
I originally asked him why he wanted a D70 in the first place for the the very reason of offering him advice similar to yours. He told me he wanted the better features and the D50 wasn't what he really wanted so I recommend the Rebel XT.. and still recommend it ANYDAY over the D70. however, he as well as the majority of everyone else on here is an amateur and will most likely use the camera on AUTOMATIC 90 percent of the time and not use most of the features anyways. I personally don't use JPG or any amateur level stuff.. so it was pretty natural for me to agree with him in the need for upgrading.. because I am a professional.. it causes me to tend toward the higher end stuff like that because that is what I used and need.. So it was good for someone like you.. an amateur.. to give him advice from the perspective and point of view of another amateur.

Now for your above statement about the camera doesn't make the pictures you do its just a tool.. that would be 100% correct if you are referring to a FILM camera. Digital is a who different ball game and the CHIP.. ( image sensor) is 100% responsible for the way the picture comes out. Not the photographer. In fact, if you were to take 3 different DIGITAL cameras from three different makers and set the identically and take a picture of the same exact thing under the same exact conditions... you would have three totally different looking images.

This is not the case with film however... which is still superior to any digital camera.. even the 10 thousand dollar ones. The manipulation of film is an art, skill and a science. In fact you dont even need a fancy SLR to take pictures with film. I did an artistic study once with black and white film with a shoe-box with two pin holes as my camera and i used my hand as the shutter and the second hand on my watch to count the time of exposure....
this was later displayed at the phoenix art museum and has been published in many art publications.

The word photography is of the latin roots and means ' picture with light'

the word camera is also of latin roots meaning 'room with door'.. the door being the shutter.

all of the elements of photography are completely changed with digital.. and digital can not be compared to conventional film photography.. although digital tries its best to emulate it..

if you take a SLR with iso 100 speed film in a dark room with next to no light and expose a picture.. it will come out 100% black.. the deepest shade of black possible on the color spectrum of 16 shades..

do the same with A DSLR set to iso 100... it will pick up all the hints of light however slight they way be and it will also add light.. digital adds light wheather you want it to or not where there is no light. therefore you could never have full control over your images without photoshop with digital.

and if you were referring to me as just throwing out facts from magazines..
and collecting high priced gear.. I'll have you know that I am a member of the largest photography union in the USA out of california.. I have had several articles on myself and my work in various trade magazines.. I have won many of awards at the national level.. have had a picture on the cover of a worldwide magazine.. and my works while obtaining my associates degree in photography have gotten me a full ride scholarship to the University of southern California's school of cinema television.. the most prestigious and hardest school to get into for film where I am going to study cinematography.. sooo.. yea.. I know a thing or two.. not just a collector or a magazine reader.. and I'm not accusing you of anything either.. just an interesting factoid about your local SWIC member.. bows applause... - andy

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