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Old 02-02-2006, 08:36 AM   #1
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8-0-0: Lingenfelter Empties the Stables to Crank Up the Corvette Z06
Date posted: 01-31-2006

DECATUR, Ind. — Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, known for its fire-breathing modifications to Corvettes and other cars, is offering a new Gen-2 Twin Turbo package for the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 that bumps up the 427-cubic-inch V8 from the standard 505 hp to 800 hp.

The $45,995 package takes six to eight weeks to set up on the 2006 Corvette Z06 and includes professional assembly and engine blueprinting, twin Garrett turbochargers, custom stainless-steel exhaust manifolds and turbo outlets, forged aluminum pistons, forged steel connecting rods and a high-capacity fuel system.

Lingenfelter quotes an eight-to-12-week lead time to carry out the modification.

What this means to you: Money equals power. Horsepower.
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Old 02-02-2006, 09:00 AM   #2
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Overpriced... Big time.. APS gets similar HP from regular 6.0 LS2..
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Obviously, I've never driven/rode in/touched a Z06 before. However, all of the reviews I've read have stated that the Z06 was skittish at the limit, but praised the engine of the Z06. I'm not terribly familiar with Lingenfelter's other modded Corvettes, but it seems to me that the Z06 could've used a few suspension modifications rather than another few hundred horsepower.

Still, it's hard to argue with a 800 hp car... ought to be pleasantly scary
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Old 02-02-2006, 10:41 AM   #4
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for that kinda $$$ you could get a 911 turbo. Still a pretty cool proof-of-concept.
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Old 02-02-2006, 11:24 AM   #5
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for that kinda $$$ you could get a 911 turbo. Still a pretty cool proof-of-concept.
Well, not really....130k for the 996 TT. Plus, you'd still be down, oh 325+ HP.
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:32 PM   #6
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for that kinda $$$ you could get a 911 turbo. Still a pretty cool proof-of-concept.
If you pay for that kind of mod on your Z06 you probably already have 2 911 turbos
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:47 PM   #7
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Well, not really....130k for the 996 TT. Plus, you'd still be down, oh 325+ HP.
ok, so you're short by about $15k, but if you're looking to throw $45k extra into a $70k Chevrolet, I'm sure you have that cash sitting around in a bag next to your fireplace.

and yes, you're still down a few ponies, but you have a Porsche and not a Chevy, so you're up in the p***y category...and we all know that p***y > ponies
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:57 PM   #8
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Obviously, I've never driven/rode in/touched a Z06 before. However, all of the reviews I've read have stated that the Z06 was skittish at the limit, but praised the engine of the Z06. I'm not terribly familiar with Lingenfelter's other modded Corvettes, but it seems to me that the Z06 could've used a few suspension modifications rather than another few hundred horsepower.

Still, it's hard to argue with a 800 hp car... ought to be pleasantly scary
Uh, the stock z06s seem to outhandle every other stock car on the market in solo2 competition...


The c6 z06 is already a much better performer than a porsche turbo in stock form. With 800 horsepower, forget about it.
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Reliability is the key here.. Porsche wont fall apart after 3 years of driving..
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i dont think people are giving the new generation vettes/american engineers enough credit here.

The hydro-formed chassis of the c5/c6 is bleeding edge technology, and the LS7 is a damn race car engine. A 7.0L pushrod v-8 revving that far is crazy. The old z06 was bargain, porche GT3 performance for less than half the price.

The new vettes wont be falling apart on you....and they sure as hell will be cheaper to repair than a porche.
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Old 02-02-2006, 02:02 PM   #11
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i dont think people are giving the new generation vettes/american engineers enough credit here.

The hydro-formed chassis of the c5/c6 is bleeding edge technology, and the LS7 is a damn race car engine. A 7.0L pushrod v-8 revving that far is crazy. The old z06 was bargain, porche GT3 performance for less than half the price.

The new vettes wont be falling apart on you....and they sure as hell will be cheaper to repair than a porche.
I dunno man..... The owners of our dealership also have a Chevy store and they said that the Corvette has always been nice for the performance, but pretty crappy reliability/craftsmanship for the price..... Supposively people are already bringing in C6's for rattles and noises already.... Not too mention, didn't consumer reports give the new Corvette a "Less Than Average" reliability score ???

The power is great, but I'd still go Porsche for that amount of dough....
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The old Z06 had floppy seat backs... The titanium con rods, carbon fiber fenders and floor, high 11 second 1/4s, .99g skidpad numbers and the, "oh crap I just got stomped by a Chevy in my 911" factor of the new car would make up for some floppy seats.
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Uh, the stock z06s seem to outhandle every other stock car on the market in solo2 competition...
Car and Driver's review:

"Lows: A chassis that doesn't know how to communicate and snap-oversteers at will..."

"But on the racetrack, the gas pedal is the trigger of the gun that's pointed to your head. Squeeze the gas a little too much at corner exit, and you'll find yourself instantly in trouble."

"On our first drive of the Z06 in Europe, we noticed the Vette's chassis didn't make the driver feel confident, but on smooth racetracks, the chassis was more or less benign. But Grattan's track gave the Z06 fits. It never felt comfortable or sure of itself and gave us all disconnected, spooky feelings that were only exasperated by that booster rocket waiting to be unleashed. "Only qualified drivers should be handed the keys," warned Phillips."

Road and Track's review:

"It's uncomfortable, though, with sharp bumps in mid-turn, resulting in steering kickback and a little sideways bobble that saps confidence and throws your rhythm. The same wouldn't happen in a Ferrari F430 or Ford GT, two lofty targets to which the Z06 aspires."

"On undulating road surfaces, the Z06's front end can hunt a little, while mid-turn bumps produce a slight rear-end squat/hop sensation. During everyday driving, this is more a personality trait than anything to be concerned with. On track, however, this surface/bump sensitivity does require extra attention as speeds climb into triple digits. The Viper Coupe, interestingly, with its different chassis tuning and wider tires (275/35ZR-18 front, 345/30ZR-19 rear), isn't as affected under similar conditions."

Motor Trend's review:

"On a racetrack, the tautly sprung Z06 is smooth and predictable. But on real-world roads, the ride is tolerable at best, skittish at worst. The stiff suspension sometimes skips like a stone over sharp pavement seams--first at the front, then at the rear--which can erode the confidence it exhibits at the track."

Edmunds review:
"We did, however, notice that when the road surface was less than perfect, so was the car's dynamic response. Bump steer, and a tendency to "hop" when traversing pavement disturbances, kept us focused when strafing turns or disposing of large, straight stretches of deserted highway. "Darty" is far too strong a word to describe the Z06's bumpy-road behavior…but so is "unflappable.""

"At Willow Springs Raceway, the Z06 was more than a bit of a handful, twitching into oversteer (a.k.a. "loose") at the exit of most corners. "


Note that this isn't to say that I think the Z06 is a horribly performing machine. On the contrary, if I had the money, I would purchase one in a heartbeat! I do think that I might've chosen the wrong word in my original post.

But I think that if I bought a Z06, I'd fiddle with the suspension first before I tried adding another 300whp
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i dont think people are giving the new generation vettes/american engineers enough credit here.

The hydro-formed chassis of the c5/c6 is bleeding edge technology, and the LS7 is a damn race car engine. A 7.0L pushrod v-8 revving that far is crazy. The old z06 was bargain, porche GT3 performance for less than half the price.

The new vettes wont be falling apart on you....and they sure as hell will be cheaper to repair than a porche.

Thank god, somebody who knows what their talking about!
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ok, so you're short by about $15k, but if you're looking to throw $45k extra into a $70k Chevrolet, I'm sure you have that cash sitting around in a bag next to your fireplace.

and yes, you're still down a few ponies, but you have a Porsche and not a Chevy, so you're up in the p***y category...and we all know that p***y > ponies
Amen!!! Hp or not, Porsche all the way. For more power RUF upgrades!!!
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:41 PM   #16
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it'd be way more fun to actually do all the work yourself and save abou 20k.
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I dont know if you guys know this, but that engine build is amazing for the money. Lingenfelter wins competitions all the time with there corvettes. Beating tt porsches and all. A couple of years ago the lingenfelter c5 beat the 996 tt with 700 some hp and 650+ torque, and not just in speed. It came is first place. The z06 is a different car than the c6. And the c6 is a completely different car than the c5. The 996 TT hasnt changed as drastically. And the reliability on that lingenfelter engine is very good.

Bottom line, Corvette wins le man every year 1 and 2 spot.
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Car and Driver's review:

"Lows: A chassis that doesn't know how to communicate and snap-oversteers at will..."

"But on the racetrack, the gas pedal is the trigger of the gun that's pointed to your head. Squeeze the gas a little too much at corner exit, and you'll find yourself instantly in trouble."

"On our first drive of the Z06 in Europe, we noticed the Vette's chassis didn't make the driver feel confident, but on smooth racetracks, the chassis was more or less benign. But Grattan's track gave the Z06 fits. It never felt comfortable or sure of itself and gave us all disconnected, spooky feelings that were only exasperated by that booster rocket waiting to be unleashed. "Only qualified drivers should be handed the keys," warned Phillips."

Road and Track's review:

"It's uncomfortable, though, with sharp bumps in mid-turn, resulting in steering kickback and a little sideways bobble that saps confidence and throws your rhythm. The same wouldn't happen in a Ferrari F430 or Ford GT, two lofty targets to which the Z06 aspires."

"On undulating road surfaces, the Z06's front end can hunt a little, while mid-turn bumps produce a slight rear-end squat/hop sensation. During everyday driving, this is more a personality trait than anything to be concerned with. On track, however, this surface/bump sensitivity does require extra attention as speeds climb into triple digits. The Viper Coupe, interestingly, with its different chassis tuning and wider tires (275/35ZR-18 front, 345/30ZR-19 rear), isn't as affected under similar conditions."

Motor Trend's review:

"On a racetrack, the tautly sprung Z06 is smooth and predictable. But on real-world roads, the ride is tolerable at best, skittish at worst. The stiff suspension sometimes skips like a stone over sharp pavement seams--first at the front, then at the rear--which can erode the confidence it exhibits at the track."

Edmunds review:
"We did, however, notice that when the road surface was less than perfect, so was the car's dynamic response. Bump steer, and a tendency to "hop" when traversing pavement disturbances, kept us focused when strafing turns or disposing of large, straight stretches of deserted highway. "Darty" is far too strong a word to describe the Z06's bumpy-road behavior…but so is "unflappable.""

"At Willow Springs Raceway, the Z06 was more than a bit of a handful, twitching into oversteer (a.k.a. "loose") at the exit of most corners. "


Note that this isn't to say that I think the Z06 is a horribly performing machine. On the contrary, if I had the money, I would purchase one in a heartbeat! I do think that I might've chosen the wrong word in my original post.

But I think that if I bought a Z06, I'd fiddle with the suspension first before I tried adding another 300whp

Absolutely, and all of the above quotes are similar to those by the U.K. magazines, who are notably less reticent with their reviews. The Z06 is a great car, but its achilles heel is the leaf spring rear suspension that Chevrolet seems so determined to perpetuate.

The LS7 contains admirable engineering and wonderful materials, and it definitely offers a unique experience in the automotive world, but why does Chevrolet soldier on with pushrods, rocker arms, and 2 valve heads? Imagine those 7 litres with overhead cams, 4 valve heads, and variable valve timing. The BMW V-12 in the McLaren F1 displaced 6.1 liters, and produced 627hp. Considering the lengths Chevrolet undergoes regarding the LS7's production, I can't imagine that the LS7 motor is much less laborious to produce than that the BMW was.

More questions: Why do people get so defensive about the Corvette? Is it some sense of national pride embodied in a car?
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I dont know if you guys know this, but that engine build is amazing for the money. Lingenfelter wins competitions all the time with there corvettes. Beating tt porsches and all. A couple of years ago the lingenfelter c5 beat the 996 tt with 700 some hp and 650+ torque, and not just in speed. It came is first place. The z06 is a different car than the c6. And the c6 is a completely different car than the c5. The 996 TT hasnt changed as drastically. And the reliability on that lingenfelter engine is very good.

Bottom line, Corvette wins le man every year 1 and 2 spot.
If you are suggesting that the Corvettes are beating Porsche at Le Mans, you may want to consider that they operate under different classes. The Porsche GT3's and Corvettes each dominate their respective classes.
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Absolutely, and all of the above quotes are similar to those by the U.K. magazines, who are notably less reticent with their reviews. The Z06 is a great car, but its achilles heel is the leaf spring rear suspension that Chevrolet seems so determined to perpetuate.

The LS7 contains admirable engineering and wonderful materials, and it definitely offers a unique experience in the automotive world, but why does Chevrolet soldier on with pushrods, rocker arms, and 2 valve heads? Imagine those 7 litres with overhead cams, 4 valve heads, and variable valve timing. The BMW V-12 in the McLaren F1 displaced 6.1 liters, and produced 627hp. Considering the lengths Chevrolet undergoes regarding the LS7's production, I can't imagine that the LS7 motor is much less laborious to produce than that the BMW was.

More questions: Why do people get so defensive about the Corvette? Is it some sense of national pride embodied in a car?
Why give up on the pushrod? That BMW engine is likely quite a bit heavier than the LS7, definitely more expensive, probably more prone to breakdown, etc.
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The reason people get defensive about the corvette is they are tired of the ignorant masses thinking domestic = bad. I think american technology is catching up.

Just because its a two valve per cyclinder pushrod engine doesnt make the LS7 low tech. The design is nothing new, but the materials used are groundbreaking....for a production engine.

Like rmbrady said....sure BMW can obtain a better HP to displacement ratio on their engines. But the LS7 will still be lighter, smaller, worlds easier to work on/mod, cheaper, more reliable (less parts to break/wear), and have a MUCH fatter torque curve. Plus the M5 has a gas guzzler tax while the z06 doesnt....
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Wow! Like that car needs more hp!
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Any car can always use more HP.
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with rear wheel drive, i wonder at what point the power becomes to much for even rediculously wide rear tires. what good would 800 hp be if you couldn't put it to the pavement?

that being said, what a beast!
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for starters, i dont even think you can put a lingenfelter z06 and a 996tt in the same playing field, regardless of if the 996 is modded or not. theyre completely different animals. z06 is for nutbusting performance on a track, while 996 is geared more towards autobahn driving and the like.

as for the technology debate, chevy is just sticking with what is already incredibly successful. if you ask someone what is one of the best performing v8s out there, chances are its gonna be an LSx series motor. seeing as you can make huge numbers all motor, turbo, supercharged or by nitrous i dont see how its not an amazing engine. and they dont use dohc because it adds a lot of weight and size, all at the top. why mess with what works? though im sure someday theyll make the switch to 4V dohc...someday
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