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Old 02-05-2006, 11:32 PM   #1
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Default PDX Tuning Protune OTS maps vs. Cobb Stage 2 93 Octane!

Well I have some datalogs comparing the cobb stage 2 93 octane map vs. the over the shelf map I have recieved from PDX tuning and wanted to know if some of the tuning gurus could take a look at these ecuexplorer datalogs and tell me a. which one is safer and b. which one is making more power.

The butt dyno seems to notice holding a lower boost level for longer periods of time with the pdx tune and achieving a shorter more powerful boost with the cobb map.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Cobb stage 2 ECUexplorer datalog 3rd gear pull

PDX Tuning ECUexplorer datalog 3rd gear pull


Can someone that knows a lot about tuning please take a look at this and give me some feedback.
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Old 02-05-2006, 11:59 PM   #2
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Does one feel better than the other?

The ECU chooses to run the same timing with both maps, both maps run the same timing, both run the same air flow. You do not have wide band data so there is no way to say which is safer than the other. It looks like both are working well on your car, and you should run which ever one feels better to you.

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Old 02-06-2006, 12:18 AM   #3
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Jarrad check my email. Huuuge difference with your maps it runs great. I didnt know the base map was the low boost map and that datalog is of your low boost map. After loading my realtime map it makes a world of difference. Very smooth and a tremendous amount of power and no negative knock values at high rpms. I can provide you guys with a realtime map datalog run in 3rd gear if you want to make a flowchart out of it or something.

I will eventually get a tactrix cable so I can do an eginuity readout showing target boost and wastegate duty cycles with your maps vs. the cobb stage 2 93 octane.

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Old 02-06-2006, 12:49 AM   #4
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I will get your e-mail when I get to the office tomorrow, glad to hear you like the maps.

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Old 02-06-2006, 01:59 PM   #5
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From what I can see the PDX maps seem to be running higher positive KC values... which from my findings on my car indicates a more stable map. From the various logs I've seen people with very high positive KC values seem to like their maps better. Some tuners touch both the correction values and the base timing on the maps they build while others just touch the base timing. I believe Cobb only modifies the base timing values and leaves the KC maps alone. Cobb also has a different idea behind their tuning... (high timing with leaner A/F ratios... which don't always perform best for everyone.)
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:39 PM   #6
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KC maps?
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Old 02-06-2006, 07:09 PM   #7
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I want to buy these maps but every time I call PDX i get a machine?.
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Old 02-06-2006, 07:12 PM   #8
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I want to buy these maps but every time I call PDX i get a machine?.

Leave a message - they always have called me back. Sometimes it takes a few hours, but they do call back.
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Old 02-06-2006, 08:38 PM   #9
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From what I understand they are swamped with work. This happens when you get an overnight community claim to fame and you got every accessport owner that doesn't live near a protuner calling them up. Just bear with them. I did and I am happy with the results.

I mean come on...if you order a part online it takes a few days to get there right
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:13 PM   #10
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I want to buy these maps but every time I call PDX i get a machine?.
I'm really sorry about that. If you go directly to VM during business hours both lines are currently busy. We need a full time office manager/secretary and some more phone lines..... perhaps by this summer.

To better handle and organize Accessport map upgrades we have just added an online map order form to our website front page.

http://www.pdxtuning.com/mapupgrade.htm

However, for those with specific questions we are happy to communicate by phone or email. If the phone does not work try our generic email address.
sales@pdxtuning.com Several persons monitor this email account over the course of the day so your chances of a timely response are quite good.

Best regards
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:18 PM   #11
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Well I have some datalogs comparing the cobb stage 2 93 octane map vs. the over the shelf map I have recieved from PDX tuning and wanted to know if some of the tuning gurus could take a look at these ecuexplorer datalogs and tell me a. which one is safer and b. which one is making more power.

The butt dyno seems to notice holding a lower boost level for longer periods of time with the pdx tune and achieving a shorter more powerful boost with the cobb map.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Cobb stage 2 ECUexplorer datalog 3rd gear pull

PDX Tuning ECUexplorer datalog 3rd gear pull


Can someone that knows a lot about tuning please take a look at this and give me some feedback.
The PDXTuning map pull looks great. The knock correction values are maxed and the timing is spot on. Your car is very happy.

I've watched these data values stream by dozens of times on the dyno..... Looks good

What kind of fuel do you use?
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:49 PM   #12
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To better handle and organize Accessport map upgrades we have just added an online map order form to our website front page.

http://www.pdxtuning.com/mapupgrade.htm
Nice! Thanks Bailey. Although I noticed that this doesn't provide a way to attach our own datalogs. Do you guys need our datalogs to make the PDX maps?
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:11 PM   #13
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sorry to hijack...but PDX do you have have OTS tunes for the 06 model wrx's yet?
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Old 02-07-2006, 01:49 AM   #14
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sorry to hijack...but PDX do you have have OTS tunes for the 06 model wrx's yet?
curious as well. Jarrad and I had talked briefly about getting mine in there but as I understand you guys are busy as all heck. If you have something like this instead I could go stage 2 sooner

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Old 02-07-2006, 01:08 PM   #15
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:subscribed: I need 02 Stage 2 and a STX legal map. I'll check out the link above.
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Old 02-07-2006, 01:21 PM   #16
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I'm still waiting on Jarrad to get back to me on my FXT.
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Old 02-07-2006, 02:41 PM   #17
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+1. I left am message and still waiting to hear back.
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Old 02-07-2006, 11:00 PM   #18
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I just stumbled onto this thread... very interesting stuff.

Does anyone know to what extent they tune?

Fuel,timing,Boost,AVCS, etc...
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Old 02-08-2006, 02:10 PM   #19
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I'm interested as well
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Old 02-08-2006, 02:27 PM   #20
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Jarrad says I need a wideband for them to properly do mine. =( It seems if you have a weird setup that isn't common, a live tuner would still be best. But for people with common setups I guess this is still good.
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Old 02-08-2006, 02:57 PM   #21
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KC maps?
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Old 02-08-2006, 04:25 PM   #22
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http://www.pdxtuning.com/mapupgrade.htm


Best regards
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What's a map upgrade cost?
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Old 02-08-2006, 10:35 PM   #23
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$150...
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:20 PM   #24
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I also have PDX on my stage 2 WRX equipped with Borla header. Lack of torque experienced with header is no longer a problem with the new map. I highly recommend them.
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$150...

Okay, thanks. I actually found it on their site after poking around a bit.
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