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Old 09-20-2001, 10:01 AM   #1
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Default SS Brake lines: Install issues- updated

I posted this over on SteveS's site (forcefed4.com), but I'll post here since its Legacy related.

Okay, here's the situation.

I pulled the passenger side (ps) rear off, looked at the stock setup, and compared the goodrich to it. Hrm. As you guys know, assuming its the same from RS to Legacy, there are 3 section of line that lead to the metal tube at the chassis of the car. From the caliper its a rubber hose that fits to a metal line, to a rubber hose. 3 sections, got it? okay

Well, the Goodrich SS brakelines are to eliminate those 3 pieces, right? Thats what I'm assuming since the SS lines end in a fitting that will only connect to the metal stock lines. No sweat. One problem. The goodrich lines are too short to reach the stock line in it existing position. Fine... what am I to do? Well that dumb grunt in me said..."Ugh... bend stock line".

Great. So I install the ps line. 1/2 the f-ing nuts are mostly frozen adding to my annoyance and time taken.

I get over and install the ds line. Okay, I was a little more prepared. I bend the stock line so it lines up with the SS line. vola. Hrm... the line is flopping around near the rear struts. okay, zip ties! So I zip tie the lines to the e-brake line. No problem.

As I'm getting ready to put the wheels back on I think, wait... it looks kinda tight where the SS and stock lines meet... the suspension has to flex some... dammit! So I look and I'm a little confused. I have 3 stock pieces that the SS lines only mate to the metal lines.

So basically, I'm asking:
1.Was I to only do the 1st rubber line at the caliper? I thought these would elimate all the rubber lines.
2.Is bending the stock lines bad? How bad?
3.I have some clearance issuses with where the ss line and the stock line mate up when the suspension moves. theres about 1/2" between where the ss line bends to meet the stock line a stupid mount for the last stock rubber tube. Hrm... lemme whip out mspaint and see if I can draw this for ya...

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Edit: Picture inserted for my VanGah

No, making fun of my drawing... it was a quicky
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Old 09-20-2001, 10:26 AM   #2
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Here's how mine worked out with the SMC lines on my 93:

http://www.xmission.com/~dac/library/brake_lines.htm

I think one is rubbing in turns, gotta go back and zip it a bit better...
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Old 09-20-2001, 05:59 PM   #3
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Mike,

I'm not sure what the 2000+ Legacies look like, but the older models share a similar layout with the Impreza. Here is a picture of Brian's when he did his vented rear brake conversion:


As you can see, there is no metal brake line in the middle. The link above also has a picture taken from the rear to show the lower half of the brake line. The only metal piece is a sliding sleeve that is fixed on the OE brake hose.

Is yours that much different? If so, I'm afraid you won't be able to use the rear SS lines on your car.

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Old 09-20-2001, 08:09 PM   #4
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Based on your ridiculous drawing and description, Mike, it does sound like the newer Legacys (with the newer rear suspension) use a different brake line than my body style does. I've never heard of a setup like you're describing - strange to have the metal piece in the middle there. Without actually seeing in person what you're working with, I wouldn't want to make any recommendations. At this point, Wayne's guess (that you can't use the SS lines in the rear) is the safest one.

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Old 09-20-2001, 09:06 PM   #5
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I've gotten SS lines installed on a B4 legacy, along with some friends over here in tokyo. Now, since we are all cheapskates, we checked around on brake lines from all over, and encountered the fact that the newer legacy does indeed need a different, longer line than the previous. In fact, there are two different types of lines, one that come in several sections, replacing the rubber exactly, and one that comes in a long section. The reason we found out is because the older legacy body style lines are significantly cheaper (thus, we wanted them), but were informed they do not fit.

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Old 09-20-2001, 11:42 PM   #6
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I had mine custom made by Goodridge. Yes it does take two hoses to do the rears on the 2000 and newer Legacys.
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Old 09-21-2001, 02:26 AM   #7
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Most of the big makers have them for the current car:

Goodridge
STi
etc etc

The thing to note is that you are buying lines for the BE/BH series, not just "for Subaru Legacy."

Cheers.
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Old 09-21-2001, 09:34 AM   #8
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the goodridge ss brake lines that fit the bd/bg legacy are the ones made for the non-north-american impreza turbo. at least that's how my package was labelled.

mike, nice picture. do you do portraits, too?
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Old 09-21-2001, 04:35 PM   #9
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Aw f**k. I got these lines a while ago in a GB. The vendor said he checked and they did fit the 2000 legacy. Hrm. Crap.

Euroauto... looks like I have to give goodridge a call... and said vendor too. BE/BH series... Any leads or CS reps to recommend? What was involved. TIA - aw heck... PM'd ya.

Wayne, the rears look nothing like the picture you posted. Hell, that looks downright roomy. Guess I'll put the Stock stuff back on in the rears and put the lines on the front. The system should work okay that way right?

Pat since the suspension is a 'trailing' arm system on my car, the metal line that the SS lines are zip tied to are the e-brake lines. I can see where they go to the drum e-brake. Great.

Nothing is ever easy.

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Old 09-21-2001, 05:06 PM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by froggert
mike, nice picture. do you do portraits, too?
Quote:
Originally posted by Patrick 'I've only flipped 1 car' Olsen
Based on your ridiculous drawing
ta the both of ya

you use the tools available to you.

now if you excuse me, i'm going to go use my multi-tool to go do an engine overhaul.

Mike
(Where do I dispose of all this brake fluid? )

Where is my trunk monkey when I need him? Oh there he is...

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Old 09-24-2001, 07:58 AM   #11
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Default Fronts - No problem

Well, I installed the fronts this weekend, with no problems. I was a little disappointed in that the strut mounted bracket for the line required me to pillage a holding clip from the stock rears and file the collar on the SS line so that they would fit. I'll try and snap some shots this week to post.

I rotated the back lines a little, trying to give a little more clearance. I drove gently around some corners where I knew the rear suspension would flex a lot. I still had brakes afterwards, so I didnt rip the lines out... but we'll see. I've got to get the car inspected for Summit Point... But I dont think I will take it to the dealer this time... just because the car is 'rigged' a little... and I dont want to deal with thier bitching about warranty issues.

The brakes are much quicker to respond and feel much more firm. This is probably a worth while modification, if the parts are correct. The quality of the lines are also preferable to the stock lines.

More to come,

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Old 10-11-2001, 04:00 PM   #12
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Lightbulb New info

After talking with Goodridge, I've got the correct part # for MY00+ legacies (BE/BH). The GOODRIDGE part # is:

24211

I'll keep you all posted on how the re-install goes when I get them....

Anybody interested in 2 SS brake lines for the front of a MY91-00 Legacy or Impreza?
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Old 10-17-2001, 03:35 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mike2000GT
Anybody interested in 2 SS brake lines for the front of a MY91-00 Legacy or Impreza?
Correction... 4 lines. All should fit the MY91 to MY99... UNLESS these fit the MY02 WRX . Anybody know?

Thanks,
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Old 11-16-2001, 02:57 PM   #14
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To continue with this documentary. The set I got (PN 24211) was incorrect. The lines were terminated in two female connections and the lengths were incorrect on both.

The line in the front only has to make a short u turn from the stock line through the top bracket, then 'u' towards the front of the car (right of the picture) and come back through the bottom bracket on the trailing arm.

I got an 8" line from Goodridge to accomplish this. Incorrect... and overkill.
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Old 11-16-2001, 03:01 PM   #15
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To make matters worse, the 2nd line I had to use was too short and would (again) not follow the stock path. The correct stock path leaves the caliper towards the rear (right in pic) and loops over the caliper to the bracket on the trailing arm.
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Old 11-16-2001, 03:17 PM   #16
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I'm thinking about this in that there was metal line between the two rubber lines on the stock setup. Problem is that the line from the caliper is way too long to incorporate it with the short 8" line for the 'u'-flex-point at the front of the system and the stock metal 'go-between' line.

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