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Old 09-20-2001, 01:57 PM   #1
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Default Will I survive the winter on Stock tires?

I am trying to decide if I will be able to survive this winter on stock tires. My biggests concern is for during braking. Will winter tires help, or are the winter tires more for the handling. I only have 16k on my car and have a hard time spending money buying winter tires to replace the stock ones (I'm getting married in 5 months so money is tight). Is there a good set of all seasons I should look at getting? Or is my only option winter and summer tires. Have any of you guys in Ottawa Area, Montreal Area or the Prairies gone through a winter on stock tires?
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Old 09-20-2001, 02:43 PM   #2
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Of course you can survive the winter on stock tires. It's all a matter of restraint. If you drive fairly aggressively, you'll definitely want to get a set of steel wheels and winter tires. Just remember that when you do this, you'll take risks you normally wouldn't take. It's nice having that extra braking and acceleration performance edge in the winter, but it's the other drivers that drive with bald all-seasons that worry me.
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Old 09-20-2001, 02:46 PM   #3
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I don't know, since i use snow tire on winter.

But, i know the Crappy RE 92's will give you a hard time!

Last winter, first day of snow. I hit a curb with my 92's, i was doing 30 only at the turn that i take everyday!

For your own good, i say get a set of 15's snow tire.
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Old 09-20-2001, 03:00 PM   #4
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I seriously recommend using winters....

If you don't plan ever to drive outside of Ottawa or never go into the country and when it snows (not lightly) but over 10cms, you should stay in.....

Restraint is very serious..... AWD makes you go but try to stop or turn and you won't be able to in snowy conditions if you're going a bit fast for the conditions.....

ABS will kick in a lot more with the all season (no matter what all season tires you have (RE92's or any other)..... there isn't a substitute to winter tires......

Subaru Canada once told me that over 80% of all subaru owners have a set of winter tires......

I'm not saying you'll be invicible with snow tires but it will make things so much easier and less stressful....

For money wise, the steel rims (15") are going for $60 plus tax at subaru lachute (www.lachute-ss.com) and a decent 195-65-15 snow tire sells for around $80-120 plus tax.....

WHen I bought my steel rims (at lachute) and winter tires (Michelin Artic Alpins at Costco)...... the total price was $730....

Money well spent......

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Old 09-20-2001, 04:00 PM   #5
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Ditto. Ever since I ran my pathfinder into a guardrail a few years
back it's 4 snows on every car. I am getting the steelies from
Lachute and likely going to Costco for more Alpins like Robin said.

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I seriously recommend using winters....

If you don't plan ever to drive outside of Ottawa or never go into the country and when it snows (not lightly) but over 10cms, you should stay in.....

Restraint is very serious..... AWD makes you go but try to stop or turn and you won't be able to in snowy conditions if you're going a bit fast for the conditions.....

ABS will kick in a lot more with the all season (no matter what all season tires you have (RE92's or any other)..... there isn't a substitute to winter tires......

Subaru Canada once told me that over 80% of all subaru owners have a set of winter tires......

I'm not saying you'll be invicible with snow tires but it will make things so much easier and less stressful....

For money wise, the steel rims (15") are going for $60 plus tax at subaru lachute (www.lachute-ss.com) and a decent 195-65-15 snow tire sells for around $80-120 plus tax.....

WHen I bought my steel rims (at lachute) and winter tires (Michelin Artic Alpins at Costco)...... the total price was $730....

Money well spent......

Robin
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Old 09-20-2001, 08:13 PM   #6
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Question Regarding Winter Tires

Just wondering if any of you folks have had any experience with the Nokian tires. A friend of mine used them last winter on his Integra and he now swears by them. I think the were called Nokian Hakkenpolettas or something like that. I have never seen them for sale anywhere, but I havent looked around really hard for them yet. Anybody know anything about them or where to buy them?

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Old 09-21-2001, 01:26 AM   #7
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I've read very good things about the Nokian Hakkapeliitta's, especially the Q model (no studs). You can read a comparison test here: http://www.nokiantires.com/html/Qtestprint.html

These tires are extensively used in the rally community, be it in TSD rallies or even some performance rallies where studs are prohibited.

Every person I've ever talked to about Hakkas will never switch to another brand of winter tire, simple as that. They're amazing.

Now, as for dealers in the Ottawa area, apparently Performance Motors, Robson Racing, and Autoimport carry them. I'm not sure on price though.

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Old 09-21-2001, 09:04 AM   #8
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I would seriously concider getting a set of snow tires(4 and not just 2). I tried using the stock all seasons and they were pretty bad, even with the small amount of snow we get out west.
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Old 09-21-2001, 11:01 AM   #9
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I've used many of the major brands of winter's out there from Michelin to Yokohama, by FAR the Nokians are the BEST I've used. Here in Calgary, I run the NRW's as most things we have to worry about in the 'burbs are deep snow and black ice. If you live in the outskirts w/o snow plows etc, get the Q's. They won't last as long, but they are SWEET!
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Old 09-21-2001, 10:13 PM   #10
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GTBGUY - How are the NRW in deep snow? And how are they in the spring when it gets warmer?

The reason I ask is that I live in Toronto, and rarely go out of the city - once or twice a season. Our snow gets plowed pretty quickly except for the one or two wicked storms we get. So I feel I would be wasting full snows. But the NRW is rated for harsh conditions, so I am interested. And since I am getting summer tires, I'll need a tire that can do extra duty in warmer weather as well as in snow/slush.

Anyone try the nokian summer tires?

And just to keep it on topic - get 4 tires rated for harsh conditions (the snowflake in the mountain symbol). I used to use all season in my honda and hated it. One stormy day I drove my in-laws Passat with Hakkapellittas and wondered why everyone was driving like such wusses. Then I got in my little honduh and could barely get up a hill. So yeah, winter tires are great - you won't regret it. Although as I stated above, the nokian NRW is what they call an all weather tire as opposed to all season, and is rated for harsh snow - so it might be a good trade off if you live in the city.

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Old 09-22-2001, 03:51 AM   #11
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JNaubur - the NRW's are a great tire for those who are in the city, as they ride VERY quiet as well they handle slush etc with a breeze. I haven't been able to get them to hydroplane in slush yet. Also, they work well in deep snow, as I've taken several cars equiped with the NRW's out to do some snow rallying. This is definately a great tire. If you're out in the rural areas, get the Q's. They won't last as long, but made for deep snow and ice.

I'm not sure about the Nokian summer's though. My personal preference of summer rubber is Falken GRB2's or FK451's or Potenza SO-2's.
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Old 09-22-2001, 03:32 PM   #12
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Did you guys really find the RE92's to be that bad in the snow?

I got my WRX in March and was still able to drive it in snow (ok, I drove several 100 km north to find snow to drive in!) and it seemed ok.

I know there is no substitute for snow tires but I did find the RE92 were not as bad in snow as everyone says. I had Michelin Pilot on my previous car and they were a lot worse than RE92.
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Old 09-22-2001, 03:46 PM   #13
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WRX Fan - RE92's = "all season"
Michellin Pilot = performance summer tire.

ANY summer tire will not work well in the winter or on snow. As for "all season" tires, the RE92's suck vs. other "all seasons"

The Hakka NRW's are rated as an "all season" but in fact they pass the rating for tires suitable for "extreme winter condtions". You have to remember, over in Finland, most of their season is colder, and hence the NRW's will out-performance EVERY if not all "all season" tires in the winter.
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Old 09-22-2001, 05:17 PM   #14
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We drove the WRX with the RE92's in snow, they're not that bad. We're actually gonna use them till march (that's when we expect them to be used). My father drives about 80KM per day, no matter what the weather is.
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Old 09-22-2001, 07:13 PM   #15
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the RE92's aren't so bad in the fall and spring. in the winter they can't grip. . i would invest in a better all season or winter tires.

i just got my 15" steelies with hakka NRW tires. can't wait to test these out in the snow
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Old 09-23-2001, 09:03 AM   #16
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First of all I just want to confirm what everyone else has said here. Listen to them Rusty, this is all good advice.

As for getting them in Ottawa;, when I got my last set, a few years back, the cheapest dealer by far was Performance Mazda (out near Cyrville and Innes). Try giving them a call. Be warned that once the first snow falls you'll be hard pressed to find them anywhere, so I would recommend buying them early.
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