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Old 02-13-2006, 09:23 AM   #1
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Mazda3 MPS and Mazda Kabura to be Exhibited at the 2006 Geneva International Motor Show

HIROSHIMA, Japan, February 13, 2006--Mazda Motor Corporation will showcase the world premiere of the new high-performance Mazda3 MPS, as well as present the European debut of the Kabura concept vehicle, at the 76th annual Geneva International Motor Show to be held from Tuesday, 28 February through Sunday, 12 March 2006.

Joining them on the Mazda stand will be a Mazda5 Hydrogen RE Hybrid concept vehicle powered by a RENESIS rotary dual-fuel engine - that can use hydrogen or gasoline - and an electric motor, for both outstanding eco-friendliness and Zoom-Zoom driving pleasure.
The new, upgraded Mazda3 line up will be revealed at the Geneva Show as well.

Mazda will hold its press conference at the Mazda stand from 11:45 to 12:00 on Tuesday, 28 February 2006. Detailed information and photos will be made available at that time.

New Mazda3 MPS
The flagship of the Mazda3 range, the all-new Mazda3 MPS, will give sports-minded customers a double dose of Zoom-Zoom driving fun. Mazda3 MPS is the second model in the Mazda Performance Series, following the Mazda6 MPS launched in Europe a month ago. The car will be called Mazdaspeed Axela in Japan, Mazdaspeed3 in North America and, in other key regions including Europe, Australia and New Zealand, Mazda3 MPS.
Mazda looked to embody the three distinct attributes with the new vehicle: Driving Fun, Ownership Delight and Everyday User-Friendly Convenience. With its compact, lightweight body and substantial power generated by its 2.3L MZR DISI TURBO petrol engine, Mazda3 MPS is one of the most powerful high-performance sports compacts with front-wheel drive (FWD) on the road today.

The car's styling pursues a look of strength and solidity in a design that conveys its unmatched dynamic performance at a glance. Mazda3 MPS reflects Mazda's intention to continue delivering Zoom-Zoom in all its products.

Mazda Kabura
Mazda Kabura, which made its global debut at the North American International Auto Show in January 2006, continues the Zoom-Zoom tradition of delivering exhilarating sports cars, while stretching the bounds of interior versatility in radical directions. Designed to appeal to young customers and to support their lifestyles, Mazda Kabura combines the look and feel of an exotic sports car with practicality and affordability, and indicates a possible direction Mazda could take with an exciting compact sports coupe in the future.
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Old 02-13-2006, 09:46 AM   #2
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Sweet, Mazda has made mention of this project for a while but this is the real deal!
I just wish that I knew when it was coming to North America. Might be something to consider to replace my WRX with when the lease terminates in July.

...And no, I dont want another Subaru
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:30 AM   #3
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I can't wait to hear more details on this.
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:50 AM   #4
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Sounds interesting, even the regular 3 is an awesome car already.

Although I'd be more tempted to know more about that Kabura.
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Old 02-13-2006, 02:10 PM   #5
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Looks like the 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo is becoming Mazda's hi-performance VQ. Now they need to stick it in a Mazda5.

Mazdaspeed3 vs. Civic Si sedan vs. Caliber SRT-4 should be interesting. Any others missing?

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Old 02-13-2006, 04:35 PM   #6
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Looks like the 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo is becoming Mazda's hi-performance VQ. Now they need to stick it in a Mazda5.

Mazdaspeed3 vs. Civic Si sedan vs. Caliber SRT-4 should be interesting. Any others missing?

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just 6 rear wheels not getting any action
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Old 02-13-2006, 05:11 PM   #7
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Looks like the 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo is becoming Mazda's hi-performance VQ. Now they need to stick it in a Mazda5.

Mazdaspeed3 vs. Civic Si sedan vs. Caliber SRT-4 should be interesting. Any others missing?

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I would stick the new Golf GTI in that competition too. And if Nissan brings the Versa SE-R (Clio III RenaultSport twin) or whatever it's going to be called it can join the party too.
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Old 02-13-2006, 05:31 PM   #8
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technically, the cobalt SS supercharged should be in there too. hmmm.... I might have to take the mazdaspeed 3 for a test drive. Mazda has always done handling so well, it is nice to finally see them put some power in there too

I always loved my MX-3 GS's handling, but that little 1.8l V6 had zero balls
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Old 02-13-2006, 05:46 PM   #9
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Looks like the early rumors were true about it being the 5 door only.
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Old 02-13-2006, 06:56 PM   #10
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Zoom, Zoom, Torque Steer...

300 HP FWD compacts just don't make sense to me. I would like to see the 2.3l DISI cross-pollinated to Volvo's S40. It would obviously fit, and make a heck of an 'R'.
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Old 02-13-2006, 06:58 PM   #11
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is it me or is that exhaust tip HUGE
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Dang.... I was hoping for an AWD setup...
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Old 02-13-2006, 09:24 PM   #13
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Good looking car.
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:02 PM   #14
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Zoom, Zoom, Torque Steer...

300 HP FWD compacts just don't make sense to me. I would like to see the 2.3l DISI cross-pollinated to Volvo's S40. It would obviously fit, and make a heck of an 'R'.
What makes you think it will have that much power? The MS6 only has 274 HP, they will detune it for the 3. I'm betting on 225ish HP.

I have read that the MS6 has had some cooling issues with the TMIC and no hoodscoop. I see the MS3 may have the same problem.
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What makes you think it will have that much power? The MS6 only has 274 HP, they will detune it for the 3. I'm betting on 225ish HP.

I have read that the MS6 has had some cooling issues with the TMIC and no hoodscoop. I see the MS3 may have the same problem.
Yeah, we've already heard of the same heat-soak issues at our Mazda store with the Mazdaspeed 6's...... Supposively, a lot of them are knocking from the inefficient intercoolers.... I can't for summer in Florida !!!

"Hey, check out my new Mazdaspeed 6..... BOOM!!!! Ah, oh well..... "

Just a little FYI.... The Mazdaspeed 6, CX-7, and the Mazdaspeed 3 all use the 2.3L DISI Turbo motor..... The Speed 6 has 274hp, the CX-7 has 244hp, so expect the Speed 3 to fall under that line....
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What makes you think it will have that much power? The MS6 only has 274 HP, they will detune it for the 3. I'm betting on 225ish HP.

I have read that the MS6 has had some cooling issues with the TMIC and no hoodscoop. I see the MS3 may have the same problem.
do you have a link handy with that info on the overheating issues? I'm just curious about it.
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Check the Mazda6 forum, forum.mazda6club.com. From what I gather the ECU is pulling back timing and cutting boost very aggressively, probably for good reason thou. I don't think it will go BOOM because the ECU is been so aggressive but you will definitely feel the huge lost of power. The MS6 is also very sensitive in regard to gas octane. Anything less than 93 and you will be lossing power.
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It seems Mazda was too aware of the STI and the EVO, and tried too hard to make the MS6 different from the duo. Only to end up with the hidious bulge on the hood and insufficient cooling. They should've just put a big ol hood scoop on the hood.
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The The MS6 doesn't compete with the STi and EVO. LGT is its compitition.

Hopefully Mazda will get the issue fixed before production starts.
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O.K. here's the deal....I too have been experiencing the dreaded sudden loss of power for no apparent reason. Well, after today, I believe I have a pretty good idea of what may at the very least, be a major culprit. I'll tell you what happened, and you can draw your own conclusions. My scanner is down so I cannot post the graphs, but will give as much info as possible.

Dynoed at Alamo Autosports in Arlington, TX(DFW) on their AWD Dynojet dyno. Numbers are SAE. It was 64*F at the time of the session. Car had a little over 1/2 tank of Shell 93 octane gas. Car had been sitting for about 20-30 minutes prior to first pull, all pulls done in 3rd gear....Ice(in bag) on intercooler, and big fan on "Hi", placed directly in front of the car, hoop open. Car is stone stock with the exception of the resonator being removed, and bottom tray and "tuba" being taken out of airbox.

Pull #1...Car seemed to be struggling throughout the rev range when the engine shuddered, and it QUIT pulling at 6200rpm. Graph read 205 HP at 5400 rpm/260 TQ at 3100 rpm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/6.gif) (torque numbers probably a little high due to 3rd gear pulls). I was thrilled with the torque, but figured detonation was spoiling the HP fun in the upper rev range. The A/F ratio was OFF THE CHART FAT(RICH)! As in BELOW 11:1.

Pull #2...After allowing the car to sit for 20 minutes or so, with ice on the intercooler and the fan blowing, we wound her up again, and my fears were confirmed.....this time the detonation was audible, and we shut it down immediately upon hearing it about 5000 rpm. ***!!! It was 64 fricking degrees, 93 octane in the tank, with ice on the intercooler, and a wop ass fan blowing gale force winds directly into the engine compartment. At this point, I was getting pissed, and it was becoming obvious that the TMIC was not doing an efficient job of taking the heat out of the air charge, due to it being heat soaked, which proves too much for even 93 ocatne gas.

At this juncture I added 3 gallons of 104 unleaded to the 1/2 tank of 93, in a desperate attempt to overcome the inefficient I/C....

Pull #3...Car sat for 15 minutes since 2nd pull. This time the motor instantly responds upon the operator nailing the throttle, and pulls smoothly to redline(6700rpm), from 2500 rpm. 224 WHP!!! at 6000 rpm/ 267 WTQ at 3200 rpm!!! Very nice, smooth and flat curve. It seemed the extra octane was able to overcome the heatsoak from the TMIC, and resist the urge to detonate. I was somewhat encouraged, as this is stock EVO VIII WHP territory.

Pull #4...Car sat for 5-10 minutes, no changes. Pulled smoothly to redline, and kicked out 223 WHP at 6000 rpm, and 262 WTQ at 3200 rpm. So, that's backed up...we wanted to try one more thing....

We placed a 3" tall rim of cardboard around the rim of the intercooler, and poured ice directly on top of it...very gingerly, as not to damage any of the fins. We figured if we could cool off the intercooler, the motor may respond favorably...

Pull #5...It took all of 5 minutes or so to pour the ice on the I/C. This time upon WOT, the car absolutely sprang to life, and pulled solidly and consistently to redline. 238 WHP at 6000 rpm and 277 WTQ at 3300 rpm!!! I was floored. It wasn't like we let the ice sit there on the naked intercooler for a long time, and get it stone cold. It sat there for a matter of a few minutes(5 max), and simply took the heatsoak out of it, and DAMN...what a favorable response!

We also learned that the motor is DONE after 6200 rpm. The curve drops off pretty quickly.

All afternoon driving the car around with the 93/104 mix, it has been a different animal. No drop-off or degredation in power whatsoever, regardless of how often I accelerated aggresively. In addition to that, the car pulls much harder, clear up to and slightly just beyond 6000 rpm. I've owned several low 11 second cars, so I know what fast is, and I'm not saying it's brutally fast, but it is "set you back in the seat"/"fun and entertaining to drive"..... "fast". Much more so than any other experience I've had with the car since I purchased her, 1800 miles ago.

In closing, I believe the TMIC is not cutting the mustard, and I am not looking forward to the Texas summers, when it's 90*+ for 5 solid months. As we all know, heat rises, and it appears that in normal operating conditions, the heat from the motor is rising into the intercooler(which is completely encapsulated), and heatsoaking the hell out of it. It's all fine and good on the highway at 70-80+mph with air being channeled through it, but in city, stop and go traffic, the little top mount cannot seem to handle the heat....and that's when it's not even hot outside! I just hope someone comes up with a nice FMIC set-up quick, fast, and in a hurry. Just my .02...Sorry so long...
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I'm not going to go hunting around on Mazda boards, but I wonder if anybody has come up with Evo-style hood vents to direct more air at the IC and/or dump excess heat chimney-style?
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:19 AM   #24
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I bet a FMIC will be available very quickly.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:26 AM   #25
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Stop with the flames and take it for what it is, speculation. I have no documented proof that I can offer.

I've heard from friends with Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) contacts, that the Mazdaspeed 3 will have about the same HP as the CX-7. Another bit of news is the Kabura will also have the same 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo with a possibility of a rotary, but I would hold my breathe on that.

To rotary fans, unless the RX-8 maintains good sales, we probably won't see the rotary in many products, anytime soon. The RX-7/RX-9 is in the works, but actual production is not for certain. The rotary is a very expensive project for Mazda. First of all, Mazda is the only major manufacturer doing any kind of R&D for this technology and all rotary engines are hand built with most parts that aren't shared anywhere else in the industry.
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