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Old 02-13-2006, 09:32 PM   #1
Jasper
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 80136
Join Date: Jan 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Saugus, MA
Vehicle:
2006 Ford F-150
Black

Default why am i pulling midrange timing? (logs attached)

not sure if this is gonna work right....i dont know how to put logs in that little window.

background: car is an 05 WRX, HKS dp, stock catback, Cobb AP, Cobb Stg.2 OTS map.

DID have a partially blown turbo seal. when i used 5w30, the car would smoke like mad (thats when these logs were taken, ill try to get new ones tomorrow). ive since switched to a 10w30 dino, and that all but eliminated the smoking issue.

i might as well admit i dont know a ton about tuning subarus (im learning, living 20 min from Crazymikie and TMS helps)....but i know i shouldn't be loosing that much timing midrange. the car still feels great. pulls HARD, esp 3200-6200 (where it seems i lose most of my timing advance?....which doesnt make sense to me?) car IS hitting peak boost (~16.5psi summer, ~ 15.8psi winter according to the AP)



*edit fixed it. edit again, sorta fixed it. if someone can fix it for me, it'd be much appreciated. otherwise, you're gonna have to follow the column over to read it (as the titles arent lining up w/ their respective columns)


Code:
Time (RPM)	MAF(g/s)	 Ignition Timing( BTDC)	Knock Correction( BTDC)	Manifold Relative Pressure(PSI)	Exhaust Gas Temperature(F)	Knock Signal #1(on/off)	Defogger Switch(on/off)
10	5244.5	189.5	20	8	13.92941	1319	0	1
430	4708	173.15	15.5	7.5	15.38039	1328	0	1
771	5403.25	186.56	21.5	9	13.92941	1346	0	1
1181	6132.25	203.4	25	8	13.63922	1364	0	1
1532	6313	73.48	42.5	0	-2.176471	1373	0	1
1952	5605.25	179.68	25	9	10.59216	1382	0	1
2283	4458.75	128.15	17.5	5.5	10.44706	1409	0	1
2704	4615	140.81	19.5	8.5	10.44706	1409	0	1
3034	5000	166.33	19	10	13.49412	1427	0	1
3455	5281.5	186.18	20	8	15.0902	1445	0	1
3785	5605.25	198.67	22.5	9	15.23529	1454	0	1
4196	5942.75	201.4	24	8	14.8	1454	0	1
4526	6334.25	202.19	28.5	8.5	11.89804	1472	0	1
4937	5800.25	21.8	11.5	0	-9.721569	1481	0	1
5287	4603.75	158.18	17.5	9	13.34902	1481	0	1
5708	4672.75	160.09	17.5	9.5	14.8	1490	0	1
6088	4892	167.69	18.5	9	15.23529	1499	0	1
6509	5003.25	176.22	19.5	8	15.81569	1517	0	1
6839	5108.75	33.59	9.5	0	-3.192157	1517	0	1
7250	5105.25	22.7	11.5	0	-9.286275	1517	0	1
7591	4848	21.29	11.5	0	-9.721569	1526	0	1
8001	4350	17.52	11.5	0	-9.721569	1526	0	1
8332	3470.5	13.13	11.5	0	-9.721569	1526	0	1
8752	3549.25	10.19	11.5	0	-10.30196	1526	0	1
9073	3531	7.34	11.5	0	-10.88235	1517	0	1
9493	3498	6.34	11.5	0	-11.31765	1517	0	1
9824	3460.75	6.3	11.5	0	-11.31765	1517	0	1
10234	3472	6.37	11.5	0	-11.31765	1517	0	1
10555	3424.5	11.24	38	0	-10.73726	1508	0	1
10975	3416.75	18.59	41.5	0	-8.560784	1508	0	1
11296	3451.25	40.11	35	0	-3.627451	1499	0	1
11717	3470.5	49.37	33.5	0	-1.596078	1499	0	1
12057	3476.75	68.6	24	3	3.772549	1499	0	1
12468	3521	84.63	22	7	6.67451	1499	0	1
12798	3609	93.12	22.5	8.5	7.835294	1499	0	1
13209	3631.75	91.12	23.5	9	7.690196	1499	0	1
13539	3797.25	20.61	34.5	0	-4.643137	1490	0	1
13950	3757.25	21.55	19	0	-7.835294	1490	0	1
14280	3194	17.15	17.5	0	-6.819608	1490	0	1
14691	3260.5	71.23	14.5	6	4.207843	1490	0	1
15021	2831.25	84.83	17.5	8	8.996078	1481	0	1
15432	2835.25	94.02	14	9	12.18824	1481	0	1
15762	2881.25	86.5	15.5	8	11.46274	1481	0	1
16183	2886.5	62.76	20	6	5.949019	1481	0	1
16503	2929.5	68.04	18.5	6	5.949019	1481	0	1
16924	2944.5	67.68	19	6.5	5.949019	1481	0	1
17254	2978.5	49.53	27	3.5	1.886274	1490	0	1
17675	2976	31.72	34.5	0	-2.321569	1490	0	1
18006	2956	27.76	36.5	-0.5	-4.788235	1490	0	1
18416	2978.5	25.6	37.5	-0.5	-5.513725	1481	0	1


Code:
Engine Speed(RPM)	Defogger Switch(on/off)	Knock Correction( BTDC)	Mass Air Flow(g/s)	Manifold Relative Pressure(PSI)	Knock Signal #1(on/off)	Ignition Timing( BTDC)	Exhaust Gas Temperature(F)
3057.25	1	0	9.21	-10.88235	0	38	1310
3064.75	1	0	9.81	-10.59216	0	38	1310
3046.25	1	0	11.01	-10.30196	0	37.5	1310
3031.25	1	0	11.86	-10.01176	0	38	1310
3014.25	1	0	12.51	-9.866667	0	38	1310
3007	1	0	13.33	-9.57647	0	38.5	1310
3009.5	1	0	13.93	-9.431373	0	39	1310
2993.75	1	0	15.54	-9.141176	0	39.5	1310
3004.5	1	0	17.9	-8.415687	0	41	1310
2984.25	1	0	18.58	-8.12549	0	41.5	1310
3003.5	1	0	18.65	-7.980392	0	41.5	1310
2997.25	1	0	18.72	-7.980392	0	41.5	1310
2976	1	0	18.95	-7.980392	0	41.5	1310
2992.75	1	0	19.4	-7.835294	0	42	1310
2966.5	1	0	19.1	-7.835294	0	42	1310
2980.75	1	0	20.09	-7.690196	0	42.5	1310
2957	1	0	20.66	-7.545098	0	42	1310
2973.75	1	0	21	-7.4	0	41.5	1310
2964.25	1	0	20.99	-7.4	0	41.5	1310
2933	1	0	21.67	-7.254902	0	41.5	1310
2913.5	1	0	21.67	-7.109804	0	41.5	1310
2926	1	0	21.84	-6.964706	0	41.5	1310
2896.5	1	0	21.84	-6.964706	0	41	1310
2885.5	1	0	21.84	-6.964706	0	41.5	1310
2885.5	1	0	21.84	-6.964706	0	41	1310
2866.75	1	0	22.09	-6.819608	0	41	1310
2867.75	1	4.5	58.48	1.886274	0	24	1301
2928.5	1	7.5	77.54	6.819608	0	18.5	1301
2955	1	9	93.35	11.31765	0	15.5	1310
3020.5	1	7	108.56	15.52549	0	12	1310
3092.75	1	7	108.82	15.96078	0	12	1310
3181.75	1	7	113.12	15.96078	0	12	1328
3211.75	1	7	113.38	15.96078	0	12	1337
3298	1	7	119.96	16.25098	0	12	1337
3381.25	1	7	119.96	16.10588	0	12	1355
3467.25	1	7	122.66	15.96078	0	12.5	1373
3507.75	1	7	127.59	16.25098	0	12.5	1382
3579.75	1	7	128.98	16.10588	0	12.5	1391
3658.25	1	7	131.49	15.81569	0	13	1400
3727.5	1	7	136.67	15.81569	0	13.5	1409
3768.75	1	7	138.12	15.96078	0	13.5	1427
3842	1	7	142.3	16.10588	0	14	1436
3926.5	1	7	142	16.10588	0	15	1445
4006.25	1	7	144.1	16.10588	0	15.5	1454
4056	1	7	145	16.10588	0	15.5	1463
4129.75	1	7	149.6	16.25098	0	15.5	1472
4208.5	1	6	151.42	16.10588	0	14	1481
4266	1	6	154.63	16.25098	0	14	1481
4315	1	6	160.73	16.25098	0	14	1490
4432.5	1	6.5	161.04	16.10588	0	14.5	1499
4458.75	1	7	163.61	16.10588	0	15	1499
4570.25	1	7	167.3	16.25098	0	15.5	1508
4620.75	1	7.5	169.37	16.25098	0	15.5	1517
4606.75	1	0	20.01	-8.12549	0	11.5	1517
4102.5	1	0	21.12	-8.415687	0	11.5	1526
3433.75	1	0	18.44	-8.12549	0	11.5	1526
3331.75	1	0	16.26	-8.270588	0	39	1526
3537.5	1	0	14.79	-9.286275	0	42	1526
3605.5	1	0	13.73	-9.866667	0	42.5	1526
3531	1	0	12.08	-10.15686	0	42	1517
3155	1	0	12.2	-10.01176	0	39	1517
2958.25	1	0	11.41	-9.866667	0	37	1517
2885.5	1	0	11.57	-9.866667	0	36.5	1517
2822.5	1	0	11.64	-10.01176	0	35.5	1517
2784.75	1	0	10.56	-10.15686	0	34.5	1508
2723	1	0	7.5	-10.59216	0	32	1508
2699.5	1	0	5.69	-11.46274	0	19	1499
2672.5	1	0	5.69	-11.31765	0	11.5	1499
2679.25	1	0	5.59	-11.31765	0	11.5	1490
2651.75	1	0	5.69	-11.31765	0	11.5	1490
2637.75	1	0	5.62	-11.46274	0	11.5	1481
2640.75	1	0	5.56	-11.46274	0	11.5	1481
2630.25	1	0	5.53	-11.46274	0	11.5	1481
2608.5	1	0	19.13	-8.415687	0	38.5	1481
2607.5	1	-0.5	25.09	-5.658823	0	38	1481
2614	1	-0.5	25.9	-5.078432	0	37.5	1472
2635	1	-0.5	27.06	-4.788235	0	37	1472
2640.75	1	-0.5	28.72	-4.207843	0	36.5	1472
2618.5	1	-0.5	28.76	-4.062745	0	36.5	1463
2628.5	1	-0.5	29.97	-3.917647	0	36.5	1463
2650	1	0	28.59	-4.207843	0	37	1463
2639.75	1	0	28.49	-4.062745	0	37	1463
2621.25	1	0	28.48	-4.062745	0	37.5	1454
2639.75	1	0	28.9	-4.062745	0	37.5	1454
2632.25	1	0	28.38	-4.062745	0	37	1454
2630.25	1	0	31.27	-3.337255	0	36.5	1445
2620.5	1	0	31.68	-3.047059	0	36.5	1445
2632.25	1	0	33.71	-2.466667	0	36.5	1445
2637.75	1	0	33.59	-2.466667	0	36	1445
2640.75	1	0	34.66	-2.176471	0	36	1445
2629.5	1	0	34.64	-2.031373	0	36	1436
2646.25	1	0	34.78	-2.176471	0	36	1436
2651.75	1	0	38.76	-1.305882	0	35.5	1436
2656.5	1	6	62.41	5.223529	0	18	1436
2678.5	1	6	65.92	6.819608	0	17	1436
2688	1	6	66.44	7.254902	0	16.5	1436
2708.25	1	7	67.69	7.545098	0	17.5	1436
2730	1	5.5	58.62	5.513725	0	19.5	1445
2745	1	5.5	59.45	4.788235	0	20	1445
2757	1	5.5	59.95	4.788235	0	20	1445
2775.5	1	5.5	59.77	4.643137	0	20	1445
2808.75	1	5	48.48	2.031373	0	26.5	1454
2803.5	1	4.5	46.98	1.160784	0	27.5	1463
2826.75	1	1	40.79	-0.5803922	0	33.5	1463
2831.25	1	0	34.35	-2.321569	0	35	1463
2801.5	1	0	20.43	-5.223529	0	37.5	1463
2815	1	0	14.8	-8.270588	0	39	1463
2780.75	1	0	14.64	-8.850981	0	38	1463
2771.25	1	0	14.07	-8.996078	0	38	1463
2770.5	1	0	14.23	-9.141176	0	37.5	1463
2767.25	1	0	14.82	-8.996078	0	38	1454
2753	1	0	19.79	-7.980392	0	40.5	1454
2727	1	0	9.81	-9.141176	0	37.5	1445
2658.5	1	0	32.52	-4.062745	0	36.5	1445
2682	1	0	34.36	-2.901961	0	36	1445
2662.25	1	0	36.35	-2.031373	0	35.5	1436
2679.25	1	0	37.85	-1.596078	0	35.5	1436
2663.25	1	0	39.07	-1.160784	0	35	1436
2670.75	1	0	39.85	-0.8705882	0	34	1436
2690	1	1	40.85	-0.4352941	0	33	1436
2673.5	1	1.5	41.38	-0.2901961	0	32.5	1427
2703.5	1	5	46.98	1.160784	0	27.5	1427
2708.25	1	5.5	49.23	1.886274	0	26	1427
2697.5	1	4.5	50.29	2.321569	0	25	1427
2686	1	0	17.25	-5.368628	0	40.5	1436
2704.25	1	0	40.6	-1.160784	0	34.5	1436
2692.75	1	2	42.2	-0.4352941	0	31.5	1436
2700.5	1	1	40.5	-0.7254902	0	33.5	1436
2714.25	1	0	37.19	-1.305882	0	35.5	1436
2710.25	1	0	33.7	-2.321569	0	35.5	1436
2693.75	1	0	31.78	-3.047059	0	36	1436
2688	1	0	30.82	-3.337255	0	36	1436
2706.25	1	0	32.24	-3.192157	0	36	1436
2682	1	0	31.91	-3.192157	0	36	1436
2678.5	1	0	32.24	-3.047059	0	36	1436
2698.5	1	0	32.23	-3.047059	0	36	1436
2683	1	0	32.68	-3.047059	0	36	1436
2685	1	0	31.57	-3.337255	0	36	1436
2703.5	1	0	31.58	-3.337255	0	36	1436
2690	1	0	31.26	-3.337255	0	36	1436
2685	1	0	32.24	-3.192157	0	36	1436
2708.25	1	0	32.02	-3.192157	0	36	1436
2705.25	1	0	32.34	-3.047059	0	36	1436
2697.5	1	0	33.73	-2.756863	0	35.5	1436
2702.5	1	0	35.39	-2.321569	0	35.5	1436
2732	1	0	35.39	-2.176471	0	35.5	1436
2729	1	0	34.56	-2.466667	0	35.5	1436
2732	1	0	33.24	-2.756863	0	35.5	1436
2739	1	0	33.13	-3.047059	0	35.5	1436
2738	1	0	34.21	-2.756863	0	35.5	1436
2770.5	1	0	43.55	-0.8705882	0	34	1436
2781.75	1	4.5	46.68	0.2901961	0	29	1436
2783.75	1	4.5	48.48	1.015686	0	27	1436
2797.25	1	5	49.23	1.45098	0	27	1445
2792	1	5	48.18	1.45098	0	27	1445
2819.5	1	4.5	46.83	1.015686	0	28	1445
2816	1	3.5	45.33	0.5803922	0	29	1445
2834.25	1	5	54.07	1.741176	0	27	1445
2842.75	1	5	55.53	2.901961	0	23	1445
2842.75	1	0	28.73	-2.176471	0	35	1445
2813	1	0	24.85	-4.933333	0	37.5	1445
2835.25	1	0	29.39	-4.788235	0	36.5	1445
2809.75	1	0	34.25	-3.337255	0	35	1445
2803.5	1	0	37.21	-2.321569	0	35	1445
2823.5	1	0	38.78	-1.886274	0	35	1445
2802.5	1	0	39.15	-1.596078	0	35	1445
2825.75	1	0	38.87	-1.45098	0	35	1445
2808.75	1	0	39.8	-1.305882	0	35	1445
2827.75	1	0	39.39	-1.305882	0	35	1445
2812	1	0	36.2	-2.031373	0	35	1445
2798.25	1	0	16.78	-6.529412	0	41.5	1445
2804.5	1	0	12.73	-9.286275	0	37.5	1445
2777.5	1	0	23.97	-6.529412	0	38	1445
2766.25	1	0	24.91	-5.803922	0	37.5	1445
2756.25	1	0	24.53	-5.658823	0	38	1445
2767.25	1	0	24.82	-5.803922	0	38	1445
2766.25	1	0	24.53	-5.803922	0	38	1445
2758	1	0	24.82	-5.658823	0	37.5	1445
2745	1	0	10.66	-8.270588	0	40	1436
2713.25	1	0	12.2	-10.30196	0	32.5	1436
2711.25	1	0	19.62	-7.545098	0	41.5	1436
2689	1	0	8.44	-10.15686	0	30	1436
2689	1	0	13.14	-9.721569	0	34	1427
2678.5	1	0	24.52	-5.949019	0	38	1427
2670.75	1	0	15.52	-7.254902	0	41	1427
2687	1	0	12.55	-9.57647	0	34.5	1427
2678.5	1	0	29.3	-5.658823	0	38	1418
2688	1	0	30.3	-4.062745	0	36.5	1418
2672.5	1	0	30.82	-3.627451	0	36.5	1418
2682	1	0	10.19	-8.850981	0	33.5	1418
2670.75	1	0	10.56	-10.01176	0	32	1418
2665	1	0	16.85	-8.270588	0	40	1409
2652.75	1	0	22.52	-6.819608	0	41	1409
2667.75	1	0	27.4	-5.223529	0	37.5	1409
2652.75	1	0	29.11	-4.352941	0	37	1409
2679.25	1	0	28.39	-4.207843	0	36.5	1409
2665	1	0	26.13	-4.788235	0	37.5	1409
2683	1	0	25.47	-5.078432	0	37.5	1409
2667.75	1	0	25.95	-5.078432	0	37.5	1409
2674.5	1	0	25.85	-5.078432	0	37.5	1409
2691.75	1	0	24.42	-5.513725	0	38	1409
2673.5	1	0	19.87	-6.819608	0	41	1409
2693.75	1	0	23.15	-6.67451	0	40.5	1409
2687	1	0	32.37	-3.627451	0	36	1400
2691.75	1	0	33.27	-3.047059	0	35.5	1400
2730	1	0	34.15	-2.756863	0	35.5	1400
2740	1	0	34.03	-2.611765	0	35.5	1400
2755.25	1	0	34.39	-2.611765	0	35.5	1400
2977.25	1	1	58.95	0.145098	0	34	1400
3637	1	0	5.78	-11.02745	0	29.5	1400
3597	1	0	20.78	-8.560784	0	42	1400
3607.25	1	0	21.07	-8.270588	0	42	1400
3619.5	1	0	22.3	-7.980392	0	41.5	1400
3623	1	0	23.68	-7.690196	0	41.5	1400
3630	1	0	24.98	-7.4	0	41.5	1400
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:23 PM   #2
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Perhaps I'm missing something, but those logs look fine. I'm seeing 12-15 degrees BTDC at peak torque, and no negative KC, or big drops in KC. Try finding out what your IAM is set at... but it looks like it's at 16 or so and you're running full advance.

The car will pull as much as two or three degrees of timing as the temperatures drop, but that's normal, as per the ignition compensation tables in the ECU.
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hmm


i'll have to take some more logs on the way to work tomorrow morning, i'll save those, and update this thread tomorrow


perhaps im just a tad paranoid...but ive got big plans come summer, and it'd be nice to know the car was running the best it can be before i start tearing into things.
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you're not pulling any timing. That' sjust how a timing curve looks like. your timing should be low at the peak torque range. Also the knock correction numbers can't be trusted unless you know what the actual knock correction map is says.

b/c knock correction can be 9.5 out of 9.5 or 9.5 out of 15. if it's the latter, there is DEF. some knock. I like to tune so that my knock correction plateaus at anything over 10psi. and which point i run a maximum knock advance of 10 or so. then just check my logs to see if my knock correction climbs to 10 when it should and doesn't drop below that whenever i'm above 10psi.
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