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Old 05-12-2001, 12:39 AM   #1
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i own a my00 RS blue ridge,and i was reading in a european magazine a comparison match between a mitsubishi lancerEVO VII,vs a subaru impreza wrx(P1 or STI can't remember)
both cars had 2.0 turbo engines,awd,and about 276hp.But the article said that there was a big difference in the way those cars were handling.Mainly because in the impreza,
in the perfect conditions,the power is delivered mainly to the front wheels(like 90%
-10%)and with varying traction the power can be split equally between front and rear if needed.That results in a mild understeer under hard driving...while in the lancer,the power is more biased towards the rear wheels even in dry perfect conditions,more like 40%-60%,wich results in oversteering during hard driving...and i'm guessing i would prefer the oversteering tendencies of the lancer against the somewhat sluggish steering of my impreza...what do you think?
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Old 05-12-2001, 12:42 AM   #2
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no. you've got it all wrong. you must of hit your head.....
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Old 05-12-2001, 12:47 AM   #3
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I personally haven't driven either car, only a 2.5 RS (my girlfriend's) which is nothing like a WRX or STi. I would love to drive both one right after the other though. I recommend downloading the Tiff Needell video with a girl driving the EVO VII and Tiff driving an Audi Quattro Coupe from the early 80's: http://movies.taner.net/topgear/Top_...t_Evo_Race.mpg

It's a great vid and well worth a look.

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Old 05-12-2001, 12:48 AM   #4
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I thought the Japaneze WRX and STi had something like a 35-65 torque split toward the rear?

What euro mag did you read this in, "Evo"?
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Old 05-12-2001, 12:51 AM   #5
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i'm tellin' you iron man,the lancer has a
rear wheel drive biased power delivery
compared to the more front wheel drive biased impreza!!!
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Old 05-12-2001, 12:54 AM   #6
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sanguine,i'll try to find the article,and i'll be back with an answer...
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Old 05-12-2001, 12:56 AM   #7
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OK. I know for a fact that the US-Spec WRX has a 50-50 F/R Torque split for Manual transmission, and a 45-55 split on the Auto.
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Old 05-12-2001, 01:03 AM   #8
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sanguine,i can't find the article,but i think it was in autocar...they test rode five or six cars for 2000 miles,and there were an impreza and an evoVII in the bunch,so naturally,they compared both cars under varying road conditions,wet,dry,bumpy,long straight-aways etc...
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Old 05-12-2001, 01:32 AM   #9
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Maybe Marty's equating understeer with fwd?
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Old 05-12-2001, 09:02 AM   #10
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Whenever the British car mags compare an EVO with a Scooby, they usually choose the comparable Scooby, which is the STi. An EVO VI would blow away a regular U.K. Impreza Turbo. The STi grey imports they test often have the manually variable torque split center diff. Without it, the torque split is just like the U.S. RS--i.e. 50/50 and more likely to understeer. The EVO has a much more advanced system that plays more to the oversteer side.

Note that the Brits tend to have a much more practical view of handling than the Japanese, given the rain and rough roads in the U.K. Because of this, they often prefer a less "pointy" car, like the Impreza, over a sharper handling EVO. It's the bad road handling capabilities that really make special U.K. Imprezas like the RB5 or P1 stand out.

BTW, if you like Imprezas and Lancers, there is no better car magazine than EVO. I'm not sure what Sanguine's LOL smilie was for, since EVO makes the more mainstream Brit magazines look pretty lame. You might also try CCC (Cars & Car Conversions) for a more hardcore approach to going fast. Both are far better than and U.S. car mag and neither panders to the sticker and spoiler crowd.
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Old 05-12-2001, 09:21 AM   #11
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the magazine was the May edition of EVO - got it right here....

and in all the testing they did... the EVO II just barely edged out the WRX STi....

just a few notables...
max torque
EVO - 282lb ft @3500 rpm
STI - 275lb ft @4000 rpm

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the STi Impreza shakes off the torpid feel of the standard UK car and, although finds itself lumbered w/the same STODGY steering, it's no bar to seriously rapid and secure progress.
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...the lateral G test; around the 150ft. circle, the tail of the EVO VII instantly hung wide, helping to keep it's nose locked on line. It recorded 0.76g, while the doggedly understeering STi could manage only 0.71g.
i have the article right here so lemme know if you have more questions... not a problem to post the facts...

guys... these 2 cars are very, very similar... you'd have to drive them both to make a choice for yourself... i am w/the EVO... hey!! it costs less

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Old 05-12-2001, 10:32 AM   #12
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I agree Subiegal... EVO's are high on my bang for the buck list.
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Old 05-12-2001, 11:07 AM   #13
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Doesn't matter much to us until Subaru and Mitubishi bring em over.

Hopefully Mitsu won't wussify the EVO with small brakes, wheels and tires like some other company we know.
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Old 05-12-2001, 02:31 PM   #14
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I know on the Sti 5,6 (and 22b) they have a center differential control nob. From 50/50 to up to 35/65 (I think). But the STI still doesn't have the active yaw control found on the EVO.

I just say, get a full locking diff in the back and put a huge swaybar.



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Old 05-12-2001, 03:34 PM   #15
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Personally I say you need to go out and drive a couple to really find out for yourself. After having driven then in bad northern Japan weather I thought they both handled pretty good but if I had the money I'd buy a Evo.
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Old 05-12-2001, 03:54 PM   #16
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Hopefully Mitsu won't wussify the EVO with small brakes, wheels and tires like some other company we know.
hmmm... brakes....
STi - Ventilated discs, front and rear
294mm dia front - 26mm rear - ABS


EVO VII- Ventilated discs, front and rear
332mm dia front - 306mm rear - ABS

hehehee... EVO baby!

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Old 05-12-2001, 05:46 PM   #17
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i pesonally never like mitsubishis. for various reasons some rational most not. my favorite term that i use for them is bitchwhoeatsmes. anyway just looking at the driveline layouts of the two cars. the subarus seems nicer and simpler. because of the north south engine layout and symetrical drinline associated with that configuration.
however the result is that the subies engine is located infront of the front axle. while the lancers engine is transverse and upright and on top of the front axle. so i was wondering if weight distribution could be the source of the lancers better handleing. i was wondering i guess what the actual specs for the F?R weight distribution are.
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Old 05-12-2001, 06:03 PM   #18
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i was thinking that the lancers engines bore to stoke ratio is better. i say this because the i believe that subies bore is much greater than the lancers but the lancers stroke is much longer. the way i see it is that the longer stroke generates torque better. and since they have the same horsepower the torque charateristcs of the mitsubishi are more favorable.
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Old 05-12-2001, 08:15 PM   #19
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subiegal,i love you girl!!! do you want to be my child's bearer??? thank's for helping me out with this one! and iron man,who's the
one with a nasty bump on his noggin now???
i appreciate the facts that you guys (and gals) brought...thanks a lot!!! and yes it was the evo magazine sanguine!!!
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Old 05-12-2001, 08:26 PM   #20
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If I had it my way I would have both parked in my garage!
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Old 05-12-2001, 09:34 PM   #21
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Surprisingly, the F/R weight distribution for the Lancer Evo is 65/35.
The same goes for the Integra TypeR, and both are cars with top-notch handling.

Dont know about the wrx or STI but the Lancer Evo has amazing handling. Just point the steering wheel in the direction where you want the car to go, step on throttle and that's it. It can oversteer easily too.

The steering lock to lock is only 2.2 turns. The wrx has a 3.0 turn, i think.
Thus, steering is much more precise for the Evo.

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Old 05-13-2001, 12:50 AM   #22
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Yup...In the US on manuals the power split is 50/50 in normal conditions...
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Old 05-13-2001, 04:37 AM   #23
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Subie: Even the basic WRX in finland has 400mm at front and 375mm at back. It might be different else where. Besides, size isn't the only truth... I'm with the Subaru, even some specs is better with the evo. Turboboxer: I think you're right with the idea of the engine palcement. If the weith is straight at the top of front axle it doesn't create torque which may make the turning more difficult. Didn't think throughoutly the thing but seems reasonnably....
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Old 05-13-2001, 09:34 AM   #24
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400mm = 16"

Those are some serious rotors...
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Old 05-13-2001, 02:30 PM   #25
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Well the EVO's engine layout is kinda mickymoused, but thats mostly because they were fixing a crappy layout that existed before, but didn't bother to make it a production item for all cars using that engine.

Subarus N-S layout has a real problem, ant thats the small fact that the entire motor is hanging out infront of the front axle line. The light flat 4 is the only thign that make sit remotely decent, as the old qattros were severly hindered by a I5 using the same layout.

Turboboxer, the Subarus great bore size than the EVO is a GREAT benifit as withthe shorter stroke you can run more RPMS, and with a lower flow into the cylinder, it can make the same HP. This is becasue the air has a much shorter distance to go to fill the bottom of the cylinder, and at 8-9K rpm it makes a huge difference how far the air has to go after the valves. Also the greater bore alows larger valve area, and/or more quench area. The problems with it are the off boost torque tends to not be nice, and the fuel efficency suffers.
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