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Old 02-14-2006, 09:03 AM   #1
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Default 60 mpg Ford F-150

I have no idea how credible this website is, but the article is interesting nonetheless:

http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06...lichybrid.html
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Old 02-14-2006, 10:03 AM   #2
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I call shenanigans
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Old 02-14-2006, 10:58 AM   #3
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Well, it isn't completely bogus, but I think packaging is a major issue, and I doubt that a 2008 production car is feasible.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/technology/#hydraulic
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Old 02-14-2006, 12:08 PM   #4
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Hybrid's really only improve your mileage in city driving. On the highway to keep a large truck like an F150 moving at 70mph, even with cylinder deactivation, you will still only get...maybe....22-25mpg tops. So I call a 60mpg hybrid F150 B.S. unless they are using a different type of sustainable propulsion (sustainable as in the fuel maintaining the speed of the vehicle).
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Old 02-14-2006, 12:11 PM   #5
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That article states the City rating is 60 MPG, it doesnt say anything about hte highway rating.
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Old 02-14-2006, 12:12 PM   #6
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They prolly filled the tires with helium to make the truck weightless.
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Old 02-14-2006, 12:13 PM   #7
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Hybrid's really only improve your mileage in city driving. On the highway to keep a large truck like an F150 moving at 70mph, even with cylinder deactivation, you will still only get...maybe....22-25mpg tops. So I call a 60mpg hybrid F150 B.S. unless they are using a different type of sustainable propulsion (sustainable as in the fuel maintaining the speed of the vehicle).
I don't guess you read the article,,,


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The standard F-150 has a curb weight of about 4800 lbs., which is 65% greater than theToyota Prius, yet incredibly the Hydraulic F-150 with a continuously variable transmission matches the Prius with 60mpg city rating, thatís an amazing 400% increase over its gasoline version.
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note the paragraph says the f-150 would match the prius with 60mpg city...

edit: and I see this as a great boon for those people that use these trucks for the intended purpose (farm vehicles) lots of stop and starting on a farm. small town run ins and whatnot.

it may also be of help in hauling stuff durring accel decel.

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Old 02-14-2006, 05:41 PM   #8
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Hydrostatic powertrains is not a new technology, some of its earlier prototypes were developed back in the early 70's...

I was at a trade show a few weeks back with a breakout session with a swiss engineer who was one of the first to develop the technology for automotive applications. He was claiming his hydrostatic car was making 280HP with around 60MPG.

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Old 02-15-2006, 05:01 PM   #9
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I find it hard to swallow when the article is peppered with words like "amazing" and "implications are huge" *'s etc.
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Old 02-15-2006, 07:19 PM   #10
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This was in a Ford concept a few years back. I think they were looking at about 10-20 percent efficiency increase in city driving. It basically stores the kinetic energy from stopping and releases it to assist in takeoffs from a standstill. It seems like thi website got a hold of this and ran away with crazy numbers. I heard one guy saying that we should have flex-fuel (85% alchol/15% gas) with plug-in batteries. He claimed a 500 MPG rating. Problem is, this is 500 MPG of gas. doesn't include alchohol price, or electricity price, or rating once initial charge is spent. The green party will play with the numbers hoever it can to paint the current manufacturers as money grubbing, gas wasting pigs.
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:58 PM   #11
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^ very true and it also seems that quite often the numbers on the drawing board that "work out on paper" frequently don't make it in reality.

It's true when they say, "if it seems to good to be true..." Don't people think if ANY car company could do such a thing that at this stage of the game they'd be sitting on this secret technology?
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I don't guess you read the article,,,


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The standard F-150 has a curb weight of about 4800 lbs., which is 65% greater than theToyota Prius, yet incredibly the Hydraulic F-150 with a continuously variable transmission matches the Prius with 60mpg city rating, thatís an amazing 400% increase over its gasoline version.
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note the paragraph says the f-150 would match the prius with 60mpg city...

edit: and I see this as a great boon for those people that use these trucks for the intended purpose (farm vehicles) lots of stop and starting on a farm. small town run ins and whatnot.

it may also be of help in hauling stuff durring accel decel.

I guess you don't understand the conservation of energy. The max fuel economy this F-150 hybrid could get would be whatever the max fuel economy is at the optimal cruising speed. Let's say it's about 40 miles per hour.....and at that speed even with cylinder deactivation, let's say the F-150 would get maybe 30mpg. Then that is the max the hybrid could get. The hybrid only decreases fuel consumption during acceleration by using the energy gained from braking. Therefore if you take away all of the extra fuel consumed during acceleration, the max fuel economy you could achieve would be the max fuel economy at optimal cruising speed. The hybrid does not magically add energy.
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