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Old 02-23-2001, 04:59 AM   #1
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Post Driving light upgrade for us Legacy folk?

Header sez it all. I'm running PIAA SuperWhites in the headlight positions, and the difference in illumination is noticeable. What's the upgrade for the driving lights?

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Old 02-23-2001, 05:32 AM   #2
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Hella 500's!

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Old 02-23-2001, 07:15 AM   #3
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That was one of the reasons that I did not order the factory fogs for the Leg. They are really sucky and I do not know of any easy upgrade like the available PIAA driving lights for the Impreza Bumper. I am planning in using the black plastic "inserts" to mount a set of either Hella's or some PIAA's in the front bumber. From what I understand the wiring is already present from the factory.
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Old 02-23-2001, 07:20 AM   #4
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i had PIAA superwhites in the factory fogs... there are many H3 bulbs out there...

or.. hehehe u could always go my OTHER route for more light

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Old 02-23-2001, 09:07 AM   #5
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Thanks J, I might just do that, or perhaps something less expensive like the Sylvanias or something. It's funny how you don't notice how weak the driving lights are until you get better bulbs in the headlight positions.

Oh, the Hella SuperTones rock! I didn't use the grille mount like you have, but they're still pretty insistent, if you will.

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Old 02-23-2001, 09:28 AM   #6
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tahrndt, you'll have to redo the stock wiring for driving lights. The stock lights are fogs, not driving lights. They turn off when you switch to high-beam, as they should. You want the opposite affect for driving lights - off with lows/on with highs.
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Old 02-23-2001, 11:12 AM   #7
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That is the pits about rewiring.

I wonder how you would defeat the "auto off on high beams"

I fixed this problem on a probe once. I just rewired the factory switch (on the dash)so it ran off of a lead that was always on when the ignition was hot. That way I could use the fog lights as Day Time Running Lights. Hmmm, I need an electrical diagram...
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Old 02-23-2001, 04:20 PM   #8
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GTGUY, I'm with you on the Super-Tones! They ROCK!!! They fit in place of the stockers, and when you use them people take it seriously. I'm afraid sometimes though, that they could contribute to a not so bright driver, already fouling out, doing something truely disastrous!
On the Lighting issue, The stock Fogs seem to do the job for which they were intended. They're FOGS!! Has anyone been able to pick up the combination lamps I see on half the Legacy Wagons in HyperRev?? They would be a compromise as far as the Driving light goes, but even a 20% improvement in combination with better Headlamp bulbs would improve the safety margin considerably. I hate to clutter up the front of the Wagon, and I'm not driving through any Jungles here!

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Old 02-23-2001, 06:13 PM   #9
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I don't think a combo bulb would ever overshoot the headlights and still have any value as a fog. If you don't want to add to the front, you pretty much need to pick which ones you want - fogs or driving lights.

The other option, which I think I'm going to do is stick some good driving lights in the large stock mounting location. Then mount some small, very discrete fogs, like these
small fogs , in the lower valence. I don't think you'd really notice them at all, unless you were really looking.

The whole thing would have to be rewired, of course - fogs to low beam/driving to high beam.
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Old 02-23-2001, 08:03 PM   #10
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Hey Glenn, you really like the stock fogs? I know they're not designed to shine light far down the road or anything, but even in foul weather, I could hardly tell if they were on or not. I suppose that maybe my wife's Outback has spoiled me. You can really tell when those are on. They do a good job of spreading the light and getting under the foul weather.

For my GT, I've installed some Hella Yellowstar 85W lamps into the stock fog light assembly. That helps quite a bit, and I'm willing to leave them as is. But even if they discolor or damage the plastic housing, that's okay because then I'll just upgrade the foglights with some aftermarket Hella's that I'll mount in the stock location somehow. With the higher wattage, and the yellow tint, at least now they are more effective in the foul conditions.

For driving lights, I've also got the Hella 500's. I put some 100W lamps in them simpy because I had some laying around. I've got mine wired so I can use them with high or low beams. I'm thinking about just hooking them to the high beams though, just because it'd be easier to use the control stalk on the steering column to turn them on or off.

Since I've added driving lights, and upgraded the fog lights a bit, I just run stock bulbs for my headlights. There's enough people running around out there with extra bright headlights without me adding to it. The fogs serve their purpose in bad weather conditions, and the driving lights serve their purpose when nobody else is around.

Here's another tidbit. Last week I used an infrared digital thermometer to check headlight temperatures. Outside temp was 66 degrees F, cloudy day, humid. I drove for 10 minutes at about 50mph with all the lights on (low beam, fogs, and Hella 500's), then stopped and checked their temps. Stock headlights, low beams were 102F. Hella 500's with 100W bulbs were 157F. Stock GT foglight assembly with the Yellowstar 85W bulbs were 174F.

Sorry for rambling!-
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Old 02-23-2001, 11:04 PM   #11
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Rich,

I had the pleasure(?) of replacing the Fogs 3 weeks after purchasing the car after the wife smacked a traffic cone at 30+ when a Hon-duh driver nearly hit her in a construction zone squeeze. I went ahead and replaced both since the entire kit from Subaruparts.com was only +$50 over local dealer price for the one lamp, and since they're new and CLEAR they seem to do the job in fog or heavy weather. I think the 85w route you took would probably be a major improvement though!

The combo or dual lamps I mentioned in prior post include fogs to the outside and more of a pencil beam on the inside and are mounted in the stock location. Ever seen 'em? The Japan spec Legacies in HyperRev are very trick! I've not seen these lamps on anything this side of the Big One though. Guess I'll have to try the 85w H3's and maybe some of the same rating on the Heads. Don't drive as fast as I once did!

Have you checked out the new Sport Compact Car yet? Awesome spread on the 97 SPO GT Wagon in White no less! Nice couple page article too. 1/4mi times of 16.4 ?? The WRX article is very complimentary too. But WAGONs RULE!!

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Old 02-25-2001, 12:46 AM   #12
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Since I personally don't like the look from all those extra aux lights, I'm using the JDM spec headlight units on my GT and using a HID conversion kit on my Legacy L. Both are great, but with the HID conversion, I lost my hi-beams. If you're willing to spend alot of $$$ definately go for the JDM spec GTB or RS lights. They are H3 high beams, h1 lowbeams (mine are HID) and 5watt city lights.

Also, I have the PIAA plasma blues in my orginal GT fogs along with PIAA 1100x (plasma blue) for driving lights
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