Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday July 30, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
North West Impreza Club
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Chapters > North West Impreza Club Forum -- NWIC

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-19-2006, 08:56 PM   #1
Ceyvme
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88211
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Renton, WA
Vehicle:
06 Evo IX
Wicked White

Default Why not to buy an evo...by Ceyvme

So I went to the BBQ today and on the way home I saw my dream car. A white 05 Evo RS. I was instantly in love, took a quick test drive and got back to the dealer....this is where stuff turned bad.

The salesman (Norman) aka DB1 that went for the test drive immediately starting treating me like absolute crap, pushing me to sign various stuff in order for him to give me a simple price quote. He ended up throwing down the pen and walking away when I insisted he just tell me how much they are asking for the car. He was the first douchebag, but not the biggest.

Next up was a kid named Sean, we shall call him DB2. He came and sat down after DB1 went and stormed off. This kid, maybe in his early 20's, cigarette behind the ear, dressed like he just woke up from a cocaine trip in a crappy suit and just overall moronic looking. He went through the same stuff norm did, I shrugged it off, typical salesman crap. He wanted to get me a quote so I was like whatever, Ive been through this before so I filled out a few sheets with false information for me just to make him happy. He runs off to his "manager" and come back without any numbers. Im like *** by now and know they are just trying to push me over to get me into an overpriced car.

So he comes at me trying to get me to sign a commitment paper for the car saying its nothing major just standard. I point to the commitment part of the paper and wonder what he is smoking. He insists its standard, I stand firm and say no and off he is to talk to his manager.

This is where it gets fun...now this car had a 25040 sticker price...05 RS with 204 miles on the clock. They were obviously trying to draw people in. I saw it as a killer deal and had fun pointing out the price on the window when he kept throwing around 28k+ estimates on it.

He comes back about 10 minutes later after some walking around and has a sheet of paper with a quote. This is what it said:

Car price: 33074
Trade in price: 8000
Taxes: some number
Loan Term: 36
blah blah blah


Price per month: 1100 dollars


This is where I looked at him and asked him if he was serious. Even my girlfriend sat there and talked **** directly to him. It was obvious this guy was an idiot but how much of an idiot was he? I called him on the price on the window and he insisted this first paper was just a rough estimate. I couldn't believe he could sit there with a straight face and tell me this, I personally thought he was joking. He insisted that this was a good price and proceeded to tell me how everyone comes in and buys cars like this right away the same day without even thinking. He claimed he could pull up records that could prove this and only made me laugh further.

This is where the bomb was dropped when I told him to run the car with the real price tag. He told me his manager actually could not get me a solid price on the car but the mitsubishi manager could. I asked him what the point was to be talking to him then and he kept giving excuses. When I asked to go talk to the Mitsu dealers manager he said Id have to go to the supermall to do it. Not the best way to make a sale.

This ended up with me basically telling him hes a moron and wasting my time and me getting up and walking out in front of about 10 other customers. I hope this douchebag doesn't have a job in the future as he wasted enough of my time without being able to even get me a price quote on a car.

BTW if anyone wants a low mileage evo, Id say look elsewhere, Ive never been treated so badly in my life by low level people. The first salesman supposedly had 6 kids that he has to pay child support for....someone should just off him now and clean up the world.


Auburn Mitsubishi has once again proven itself to be the worst. Ive always been treated respectfully by car dealerships and not sure why when I show an interest in a car I was treated like absolute ****. I will not be purchasing my evo from this dealership or any car for that matter.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Ceyvme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2006, 09:01 PM   #2
BraveUlysses
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 93205
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Lynnwood, WA
Default

Sorry to hear about your crappy experience, but you should contact upper management or even better--Mitsu of America and let them know how awful your experience was. Remember, ***** rolls downhill.
BraveUlysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2006, 09:08 PM   #3
spdracr00
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 65823
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Hillsboro, OR
Vehicle:
1996 Impreza L
Red

Default

hmm, wonder why mitsu is going in the crapper money wise.. "gee we just can't sell cars to americans.... we must suck" maybe its the quality of your help..
spdracr00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2006, 09:12 PM   #4
odeezie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 66053
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle
Vehicle:
02 Meanist looking
slow car ever

Default

the whole ciggy behind the ear thing WHILE on the job is just pathetic, in my opinion.
odeezie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2006, 09:14 PM   #5
96WRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 30610
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sammamish, WA
Vehicle:
1996 WRX STi Type R
555 Blue

Default

Makes you wonder why they are loosing money doesn't it.
96WRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2006, 10:45 PM   #6
DChan
Gone... But not forgotten
 
Member#: 60342
Join Date: Apr 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Vehicle:
2004 STi
WRB

Default

Hey at least they talked to you. They wouldn't even look at me when I went into the one in Auburn.
DChan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 03:19 AM   #7
SLIGHTLY
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 47909
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Vashon WA
Vehicle:
2004 PSM WRX Wagon
awd+corner, WEEEEEE!

Default

Same experence as above at walkers renton subaru, and the jeep dealership on 99.... walked out of both places frustrated...
SLIGHTLY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 03:56 AM   #8
CosmoTheCat
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 3409
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Woolley
Vehicle:
1998 Ram 2500
Green.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DChan
Hey at least they talked to you. They wouldn't even look at me when I went into the one in Auburn.

I spent about 10 minutes, checkbook in hand, at a Subaru dealer while every salesman working was in the showroom for a sales meeting. Their manager apparently didn't figure it was worth interrupting the sales meeting in order to actually make a sale. Not my loss, I took my business across town. It happens everywhere. There is a certain type who are drawn to sales, and frequently the type are not good sales people for whatever reason.
CosmoTheCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 04:09 AM   #9
supermarkus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6971
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Edmonds, Washington, USA
Vehicle:
2008 WRX STi
SSM

Default

Car buying should be fun. Period.
supermarkus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 08:54 AM   #10
DougM
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 799
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2000 2.5 RS Coupe
Mitsubishi EVO IX

Default

We also had the exact same experience at Walker's in Renton.

on two seperate occasions we went to the Mitsubishi dealer, money in hand, ready to buy an Evo. Needless to say...

they can bite me
DougM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 12:19 PM   #11
ashumo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 51318
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Portland, OR
Vehicle:
89 SVX Syncro

Default

in nw washington id say mountain mitsi...they like to move cars, got mine at invoice. ask for jo or steve.
ashumo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 01:57 PM   #12
rlavalle
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 18384
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Seattle 'burb (Kirkland)
Vehicle:
2004 STi: 580 AWHP
Java Black Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashumo
in nw washington id say mountain mitsi...they like to move cars, got mine at invoice. ask for jo or steve.
Do these guys have a 2nd sticker? Their web site shows an Evo IX at $38k and an Evo MR at almost $47k. Maybe you can dicker down to invoice when talking with Jo or Steve?

A buddy of mine is thinking about an Evo. We enjoy going to Auburn Mitsu to hear the BS.

Thanks,
Russ
rlavalle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 02:01 PM   #13
rlavalle
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 18384
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Seattle 'burb (Kirkland)
Vehicle:
2004 STi: 580 AWHP
Java Black Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashumo
in nw washington id say mountain mitsi...they like to move cars, got mine at invoice. ask for jo or steve.
Also, anything you had to do or qualify for to get invoice? Just would like to know how to approach them.

Thanks!
rlavalle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 02:20 PM   #14
tec-9-7
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 57586
Join Date: Mar 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Tacoma, WA
Vehicle:
2011 Impreza WRX STI
Spark Silver Metallic

Default

I got a quote on an 06 Evo IX RS of $28,650 + TTT from Dick Hannah in Vancouver.
tec-9-7 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 02:33 PM   #15
traction
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 32016
Join Date: Jan 2003
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Issaquah
Vehicle:
2010 CRV EX-L
Polished Metal

Default

Ive bought 3 subes from walkers, 1 wrx, and 2 stis........all deals were done within 30 minutes, and paid under invoice for all three. was also treated like a rock star the whole time!
traction is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 02:42 PM   #16
entropy138
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87446
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Burlington/Bellingham WA
Vehicle:
2005 STI
3 second start club

Default

Why not to buy an evo...

Cliffs: because its not a subaru

And after 15+ years of making awd vehicles mitsubishi has still failed to design a transmission that can handle the power and have any kind of longevity...(I may be biased as a previous dsm owner who now has a bunch of friends w/ evo's & tranny issues)
entropy138 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 03:32 PM   #17
RHayes
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 104207
Join Date: Jan 2006
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Rock Creek (Portland)
Vehicle:
2006 Stage 2 STi
Blue

Default

I drove an Evo MR just last week in Portland... I showed up in my 06 STi (3k miles) and said I just wanted to do a side by side comparison on some of the features. The salesman begged me to take it out for a test drive saying that he would have few opportunities to take one out, and that his manager was sure to let me drive it... All he wanted from me was a business card.

When we finished the test drive, he asked me what it would take to get me to trade my brand new STi for the MR... I told him "more torque at the bottom of the powerband, and 10k off the sticker". The ONLY thing I liked about the EVO MR was the seats. I took him for a brief test drive in MY car, and he almost made a mess of his pants (and my front seat).
RHayes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 03:35 PM   #18
Keshav
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1654
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Vehicle:
1998 GC8 Unicorn
MV Agusta Brutale S

Default

www.carsdirect.com

never deal with salesmen.

or order it online from fitzmall.com and then have it delivered/fly out and pick it up
Keshav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 03:36 PM   #19
Kraziken
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 38629
Join Date: Jun 2003
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Northwest
Vehicle:
1999 Legacy GT (STI)
White

Default

Here is how you can reduce your chance of experiencing this type of crap in the future. (This can happen at all dealerships).

Before hand, go to a credit union or bank (credit union if possible) and get pre-approved for a used car loan, tell them the price range you are looking at. Most likely you'll get an interest rate most of these dealerships can't touch. The bank can issue a "check" for the purchase.

Walk into the dealership with NADA book or blue book in hand.

Tell them specifically what your looking for, and tell them your not interested in negotiating monthly payments. Tell them you have financing preapproved. They'll probably ask you the interest rate, you tell them or lie by a few percentage points, they'll back off.

At that point, your negotiating the selling price, bottom line. Tell them what price you want, and if they give you any crap, just walk out. It also helps if you sell your ride instead of trading in, it just introduces another haggling point for the dealer.

It's how I bought my Legacy at Walkers Renton, and they had basically no wiggle room or nonsense to throw at me.

Last edited by Kraziken; 02-20-2006 at 03:42 PM.
Kraziken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 06:33 PM   #20
Ceyvme
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88211
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Renton, WA
Vehicle:
06 Evo IX
Wicked White

Default

Ya, the second part that irked me was he was trying to give me 8k for a trade. My car is an 02 with 50k miles and bluebooks about 14.2k in fair condition. He said he would only be able to turn around and sell it for 12k or so. I called his bluff but he insisted he had sold plenty of my car to know.


Also the sean guy claimed he had an 11 second Turbo 2 RX7...no front mount, nothing body done, completely stock crappy looking car imo ~ That made even my girlfriend laugh at him when he said it. I think he was angry ~
Ceyvme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 06:36 PM   #21
Ceyvme
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88211
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Renton, WA
Vehicle:
06 Evo IX
Wicked White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHayes
I drove an Evo MR just last week in Portland... I showed up in my 06 STi (3k miles) and said I just wanted to do a side by side comparison on some of the features. The salesman begged me to take it out for a test drive saying that he would have few opportunities to take one out, and that his manager was sure to let me drive it... All he wanted from me was a business card.

When we finished the test drive, he asked me what it would take to get me to trade my brand new STi for the MR... I told him "more torque at the bottom of the powerband, and 10k off the sticker". The ONLY thing I liked about the EVO MR was the seats. I took him for a brief test drive in MY car, and he almost made a mess of his pants (and my front seat).

That is one thing I noticed about the mitsu. It was a pig before boost came in whereas even my 2.0 WRX has enough power to not be a complete pig. My current stage 2 setup felt alot stronger than the Evo did also and I could tell the clutch or something had been pounded on and was not in full working order. Be warned if you go to look at this evo, drive it first and make sure you like it, I doubt I will even bother with an evo now after driving it. It felt like I was riding on bump stops for ride quality, steering was pretty tight and nice but everything else didn't seem to be up to the quality I always have thought would come out of an evo. The power was there but only above 4k or so in the stock form and didn't pull as hard as my stage 2 wrx does. Maybe I got a beat up one but it did only have 200 miles....thats concerning.
Ceyvme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 06:42 PM   #22
Dionysos911
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 72943
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: WA
Vehicle:
2005 WRX Sdn
CGM

Default

Credit Union is key. I had my loan already arranged then began email fleet managers up and down I-5 to find out who would give me the best price before walking onto a lot. Found the guy who gave me the best price and had my car in stock. Brought the emails with me, to pick the car up. In and out pretty quick and after the subaru rebate I got it for about 4k under sticker.
Dionysos911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 06:52 PM   #23
P-TownWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 90903
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Happy Valley
Default

When my g/f bought her lancer ES from beaverton mitsubishi she didn't get much better service, multiple ********. I told one of them to leave and taht we would not deal with him. So we get this girl that does nothing but trash other cars. She doesn't say how good the mitsu is, only how bad fords and hondas and toyotas are. She was a complete bitch and if it wasn't such a good price I think we would have told her to **** off too.
P-TownWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2006, 10:27 PM   #24
ka mano
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 78022
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, Washington 05 WRB GGA
Vehicle:
PdxT built 2.5L 6sp
30R.82, 274/276, H2O+meth

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHayes
I drove an Evo MR just last week in Portland... . The ONLY thing I liked about the EVO MR was the seats. I took him for a brief test drive in MY car, and he almost made a mess of his pants (and my front seat).
Great story... and now we know why Evo seats are better than ours!
ka mano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2006, 12:08 AM   #25
CosmoTheCat
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 3409
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Woolley
Vehicle:
1998 Ram 2500
Green.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-TownWRX
She doesn't say how good the mitsu is, only how bad fords and hondas and toyotas are.
She could apparently only lie so much. Stating false facts about the Lancer was obviously more than she was willing to do.
CosmoTheCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
OT finance gurus - to buy or not to buy an extra couple homes in Vegas...? INFIDEL Off-Topic 28 04-08-2008 04:27 PM
Reasons why not to get an evo mr* Another Bad Kreation Off-Topic 147 02-03-2006 12:19 AM
To Buy an STI or not to Buy an STI? Opinions? J'sRex New England Impreza Club Forum -- NESIC 53 09-12-2005 11:40 AM
Convince me not to buy an Evo WanganRunner General Community 69 04-14-2004 12:46 PM
one more reason not to buy an EVO TheRex South East Region Forum 21 07-03-2003 10:56 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.