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Old 01-04-2001, 10:12 AM   #1
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Question How do get softer ride?

Is there a way to get a softer ride with Eibachs (or any other perfromance springs)? I don't really care about any height increases that would come about in the process of softening the ride of the springs.

I'm running the Eibach/AGX set at 1/1 and still seeking for the softer ride. May be softer tires.....?

But I would like to have the choice of taking out myself whatever mod to take it back to stiffer ride.
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Old 01-04-2001, 10:57 AM   #2
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the spring rate is not necessarily what dictates the softness... it's all in the dampening...

the dms is fully adjustable... before i hosed my car.. i had just adjusted the rebound on the front of the car and the ride got even better!!!

if the agx's are on the softest setting... likely that's as soft as you are going to be able to get it without swapping your suspension out...

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Old 01-04-2001, 02:50 PM   #3
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Man! Softer than the 1/1 setting? What Eibachs are you running? I though the Pro-Kits with the AGXs on 2/4 was kinda plush, actually.

I'm with Subie Gal. I think you might be out of luck on this one, unless you run some WS-series Blizzaks at about 32 psi. Soft and squishy, baby!

Just out of curiosity, why the need for a softer ride?

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Old 01-04-2001, 07:03 PM   #4
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Well, the body is getting old...can't be a young hardbody stud forever you know . Noooo... Well after driving my sis's 99 Galant 3.0V6, one softly sprung beast of a car, long distance, if feel as though that I would fatigue alot more with my wagon. Its nice to not feel the road so much in long 3 hr straight cruises. I can feel almost every single bump, crack....and I hate potholes...feels like I need to avoid them all the time. On the big dips, they're primo, but city driving with some not so great roads....pretty uncool with the old folks.

BTW the Mitsubishi V6 is very nice, at 110mph, it still had plenty juice....looks like a ~140mph car easy. But driving the subie is more like playing an arcade game.

Anyways, I really need to go sit in one of your cars to get myself calibrated to what the definition is stiff/soft is.

Here's a thaught,what is KYB messed up the sticker/knob or valving placement.....nah...could they?

Gtguy, whats your setting on your KYB's if you would want to make it ride like stock?

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Old 01-05-2001, 01:09 AM   #5
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Dunno. I've never tried to get a stock feel. I still have mine on 2/4 though, since I'm running the stock springs.

This is a thought. Do you still have your stock GT wagon springs? That's sure to soften things up, if you do. You'll also go back to the stock ride height, which will help in the plushness department.

I would imagine that the stock springs and the AGXs set on 1/1, should be just about what you're after.

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Old 01-05-2001, 10:33 AM   #6
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Springs and strut characteristics must be be matched to compliment each other, putting in a softer spring won't necessarily give you a softer ride since you may be compressing the strut faster, and thus making it stiffer. That's why you generally buy a suspension package, not just individual components.

If you have the struts on the softest setting, and are still not happy, you probably have springs that are not very well matched to the struts. I'd call a good suspension shop and see what springs they recommend for your strut kit, or just go back to stock all the way around. My stock outback is pretty cushy.

You could also try a tire with more sidewall. Anything you do to soften the ride, BTW, will compromise handling, but you probably already know that.

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Old 01-05-2001, 10:54 AM   #7
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Digressive(sp) dampening.

I think low speed dampening (speed meaning shock/strut shaft velocity) has the greatest effect on handling and high speed dampening the greatest impact on subjective harshness. Unfortunately, with linear dampening, any increase in low speed dampening means an increase in high speed dampening as well.

I think the AGXs are somewhat linear in their dampening.

Digressive dampening somewhat addresses this issue. At lower velocities, the slope of the dampening force vs velocity curve is steep, but as the velocity increases the slope of the curve tapers off. This gives you good dampening down low for handling, yet the high speed dampening stays within reason.

Bilstein is known for its' digressive valving. The Prodrive GT suspension kit available for the Impreza use Bilsteins, and many owners of that kit claim that the ride quality is as good as, if not better than, stock yet still provides significantly better handling. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any Prodrive kits for the Legacy.

The only thing I've seen for the Legacy that uses Bilsteins is the SYMS/Bilstein kit, but that is likely tuned for Japanese roads and Japanese taste. Are their any Legacy owners who have this kit?

The other problem is that a lot of suspension vendors don't provide any dampening curves. The most you usually get is the dampening rate at one particular velocity, so it's really hard to know or even get a rough idea of how the subject ride quality of one set-up may compare to another or stock without actually trying it.

Your cheapest route would be to revert back to stock. If you have two grand or so, then something adjustable like the DMS Gold might be an option. I believe their adjustment has 21 positions. The Gold however, just became available for the Impreza, I'm not sure if they have it yet for the older or newer Legacies. I'd send Dave Clark an Email.
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Old 01-05-2001, 11:29 AM   #8
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Well, I really don't want to revert back to stock springs coz I'll loose that tight look and gain the large lean angles around the turns.

I agree with the theories (sp) mentioned.

Maybe I need to turn the struts up to 4/8 and other combos and drive on them for a while...then go back to 1/1 and see how it feels. Sometime you get used to one thing all the time...need a change to get things into perspective. May be I need to a ride in some ones tuned car to recalibrate myself.

Thanks for you inputs guys and gal.

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Old 01-06-2001, 12:01 AM   #9
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I've got stock springs w/ AGX on my GT sedan and its very close to stock at 1 Front / 2 or 3 rear.

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