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Old 02-22-2006, 03:00 PM   #1
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Default Triumphant Horse Launched by China Brilliance

Triumphant Horse Launched by China Brilliance

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SHENYANG, China China Brilliance has just released the first product of its new car plant in Zhonghua, which was set up with technical assistance from BMW. This is China Brilliance's second passenger car, and it is named the Jinjue (which can be translated either as "Triumphant Horse," or "Winning Gold").

Whatever you call it, it is a sporty sedan designed by Pininfarina in Italy. China Brilliance hopes that it will help raise sales levels from last year's 17,500 to 30,000 units this year. Sedans have higher profit margins than minibuses, which are still the key products of the company.

The Jinjue is 183 inches long, built on a shortened version of its bigger brother's platform. That car, called the Grandeur, is already being distributed in Europe. The Jinjue has four powertrain options from 1.6 to 2.0 liters, most of which are supplied by Shenyang-Mitsubishi.
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:09 PM   #2
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looks good...the largest motor is only a 2.0 though, ouch.
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:30 PM   #3
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It looks pretty sweet. I wonder how the emissions controls are and if it has anything more than basic electronics. I remember watching an MSNBC review on China from a few years ago and their auto industry was part of it. European auto makers such as VW were coming in there with engines that were four generations old and had little to no emissions controls because China did not mandate them in an effort to keep costs down. Just makes me wonder if this thing's engine would be even the least bit competitive outside the domestic market then.
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:30 PM   #4
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Doesn't look much different from BMW's styling direction. Any idea what wheels are powered? I still think the Chinese company that can successfully knock off a modern E30 clone for less than 20K will do very well.
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:36 PM   #5
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Looks nice. Maybe they will turbo it.
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:20 PM   #6
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looks good...the largest motor is only a 2.0 though, ouch.
The 2.0L is rated at 127 hp and 128 ft-lb... Double ouch. But it's suppose to get great MPG. It's big brother Grandeur gets 43 MPG combined city/hwy... But it also goes from 0-62 in 13.8 sec. I think the Geo Metro can beat it off the line...
BTW, it's a FWD.
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:24 PM   #7
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looks like a slant kidney eyed beamer lol....and i work at a beamer stealership...this things looks like a clone...kill it.
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:25 PM   #8
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Doesn't look much different from BMW's styling direction. Any idea what wheels are powered? I still think the Chinese company that can successfully knock off a modern E30 clone for less than 20K will do very well.
E30?? That was the 2nd Gen. 3 series. The 1st M3 was an E30.
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:43 PM   #9
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i like ittt
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:47 PM   #10
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like the bimmer style headlights and the rims are sweet. Gotta say that i think that BMW more than helped on this guy
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Holy crap like that a spitting image of the new 3.

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Old 02-22-2006, 09:21 PM   #12
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As soon as Chinese auto makers get some originality, then I'll give them some attention.


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Old 02-22-2006, 09:30 PM   #13
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As soon as Chinese auto makers get some originality, then I'll give them some attention.


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They don't have to be original, when they can build their cars for probably 1/5 of what anyone else can. (if not even less)


If that car was in the US, and cost $7000 and gave you almost the quality and almost the performance of a real 3-series would you buy it? My guess is that MANY people would.
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Old 02-22-2006, 09:56 PM   #14
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Considering it wouldn't be NEAR the same quality, no.. I don't think many people would buy it.


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Old 02-22-2006, 10:07 PM   #15
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Considering it wouldn't be NEAR the same quality
What makes you so sure? Hyundia has been making award-winning quality cars lately. If the Koreans can do it, the Chinese definitly can (or atleast will be VERY soon).
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Who thinks by 2010 a Chinese car company can already acheive the sucess that Hyundai currently has.. i personally think they can.. with italian designers and german engineers, i cant see why wont they acheive sucess in America
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What makes you so sure? Hyundia has been making award-winning quality cars lately. If the Koreans can do it, the Chinese definitly can (or atleast will be VERY soon).
Hyundai's cars start in the mid teens, not $7K. And many of the award-winning cars are well into the $20K range.

I don't care how cheap the labor is, I find it very hard to think that a $7K car would have the same quality as one nearly double the cost. Let alone a $40K BMW.

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I doubt it, it takes quite a bit of development to get to that stage and at the moment Chinese automakers are not trying to aggressively develop engines that will compete on an international stage. Chinese automakers are just shooting for the growing middle class population in their own country that wants cars and they will therefore make whatever they can for as cheap as they can. Until the wants of their own country are filled they won't have the need to try and develop to compete.
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Old 02-22-2006, 11:36 PM   #19
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Yea it's true, it'll probably have no quality. But I bet you they're gonna drop in price to like 5k. A new car for 5 or even 7k. Black people are lining up. Hahaha. JAY KAY. But yea, all the poor folk will start getting china rich!

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Oh yeah, is it FWD or RWD?
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Old 02-23-2006, 12:20 AM   #21
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Is it sad that I like the Chinese ripoff better than the BMW?
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No, cause I do too, minus the Daewoo'ish grill feature. I don't know why, but that grill just screams Daewoo to me.
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E30?? That was the 2nd Gen. 3 series. The 1st M3 was an E30.
Yes, it was. Doesn't have to be an M3, though. A nice RWD setup and 6 cylinder without all the swoops and lumps of BMW and Infiniti and without the Oontz image and price would kick ass.
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No, cause I do too, minus the Daewoo'ish grill feature. I don't know why, but that grill just screams Daewoo to me.
The grille does look like the Daewoo logo:

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Hyundai's cars start in the mid teens, not $7K. And many of the award-winning cars are well into the $20K range.

I don't care how cheap the labor is, I find it very hard to think that a $7K car would have the same quality as one nearly double the cost. Let alone a $40K BMW.

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Chinese labor rates are way less than even Korea. $7k might be at the extremes, but not by much. Sure figure in added costs for a US distribution network, transportation and other things, but all that is a moot point really - the fact remains that they can EASILY undercut any manufacturer in the world right now by 50%.

If the quality and technology in cars isn't up to BMW-levels, it sure as hell would be approaching Hyundia levels very soon. Hell, the American that first brought Subaru to this country is gonna be the first American to start importing Chinese cars later this year or early next.

They have big plans for the US market.
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