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Old 12-16-2000, 06:06 AM   #1
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Simple Question for you Legacy folks. What size is the rear bar on my 98 2.5 GT Wagon? I was under the impression that it was 13mm. Is there an easy way to measure it without a caliper? Man, it is one snaggly lookin' bit of metal!! Thanks for your help. I couldn't find the specs anywhere.
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Old 12-16-2000, 06:29 AM   #2
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I think the one on the wagon GT is slightly larger than 13mm...reason I know is I have a 99 2.5GT sedan, and I bought the larger wagon rear bar to replace my stocker. The bar I got was larger than the stocker, but not nearly as large as the 20mm one I got from JCSports (btw, the Impreza rear bars DO NOT FIT...the floorpan will be in the way of the 'straight' Impreza bar).

I would get a 20mm if I were you...plenty of places have Legacy specific bars. I would guess (purely non scientific) that your bar is ~18mm (which is what I was told when I bought the wagon bar, also).

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Old 12-16-2000, 07:19 AM   #3
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I've heard the Outback Wagons have the 18mm rear sway bar. That's one way to get a cheap, used sway bar if you've got a sedan. I'd be surprised if the GT wagon had a smaller one. Someone in the past has suggested going out there with your open-ended metric wrenches and seeing which one fits around the bar. That will at least give you a good idea what it is.

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Old 12-16-2000, 09:10 AM   #4
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Stock GT sedan bar is 16mm. Do a search and you can buy 19mm bar from your dealer or Sugar (another I-club member).

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Old 12-16-2000, 10:39 AM   #5
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I have a '98 GT wagon as well, and got a 19mm bar from an old Legacy turbo. Fantastic. The car is dead neutral, but if I want to get the tail out, I can. It turns in quite well, too. A highly recommended modification, IMHO.

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Old 12-16-2000, 11:42 AM   #6
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16mm on my 97 GT wagon. Outbacks had 18mm (which is what I'm hunting for...)

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Old 12-16-2000, 03:42 PM   #7
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Thanks everyone for the info!! I love this board!! I'll try the metric wrench bit just to verify the size, which I assume is 16-18mm. Thanks to Kev and Kevin for the 19-20mm suggestions. I've found an OutBack bar at a recycling yard but if I already have an 18mm that won't get it! I'll do a little more looking. thanks again!
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Old 12-16-2000, 03:55 PM   #8
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Well that was easy!! Looks like it's 16mm. So 18,19 or 20mm, what will it be? Guess price will be a big factor as usual! $75 at the recycle yard is pretty reasonable. Looks like some real improvement is to be had regardless, but with the wagon's weight I'm leaning toward 19-20mm. Thanks again to all who replied.
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Old 12-16-2000, 09:54 PM   #9
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If you get the bar from the wrecking yard, I'd ask to see the car it came off of. If the collision at all involved the rear of the vehicle, or was a side impact, I wouldn't get it. It might be damaged.

Another $100 for piece of mind and a thicker bar doesn't seem like much of a decision.
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Old 12-16-2000, 10:18 PM   #10
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Great point!!! Thanks!! Don't think I'm gonna find the 19-20mm bars at a "wrecking" yard anyway!
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Old 12-17-2000, 09:33 AM   #11
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Extra weight of the wagon? Less than 100lbs, wheelbase is the same. Not much extra weight, unless you have a big load in the back... If anything, it would make it better balanced...
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Old 12-17-2000, 09:58 AM   #12
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motorob Carrying a load is exactly what I was referring to. As my wife's daily driver, my primary time behind the wheel is weekend/vacation travel, and the car is far from empty! That's one reason many aftermarket springs are less than satisfactory for our cars. I wouldn't own anything but a wagon! Two words; "SUV's SUCK!"
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Old 12-21-2000, 08:54 AM   #13
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Put an FHI 18mm (Outback) rear swaybar on my 97 GT wagon this morning and took it out for a spin. IMHO it's perfect. I have stock springs, endlinks etc, and with the stock setup, it works just right for me (handling is a pretty subjective issue, YMMV etc.) Just took it out for a couple of on/off ramps to test steady state cornering, the bar took some of the weight off the nose without being twitchy. This is our daily driver and I wouldn't want my wife to get "surprised" in it. Now a steady four-wheel drift is possible, shading just slightly to oversteer as you push it a little past the initial tire squeal point. Didn't get a chance to try any abrupt transition maneuvers or "Scandinavian flick", but I think it's pretty good. Also, this should keep it from being overly tail happy in the snow, although I haven't tried that yet either. If I add the Whiteline front endlinks, which I plan to do, then I may need a better (stiffer) bar to balance the car out again, but I'll wait and see. It would also be nice to have the option of dialing in some oversteer for auto-xing. The best part? The bar was $35 from the wrecking yard! (Oh, I'm sorry, they like to be called "auto recyclers" these days...)

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Old 12-21-2000, 09:58 AM   #14
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I can't do a four wheel drift in my Outback, but that's probably not much of a surprise.

I used to be able to when I had the stock XW4's on it and the suspension was still pretty good, but with these new Michelin Rainforce tires they just grip too well and want to roll the car over rather than spin/slide.

Rain and Sand are still fun, although these tires have taken the fun out of very rainy days because with the AWD and the tire's rain-traction it is almost like driving on dry pavement. Very safe, but not very much fun. They also have some sidewall flex, but I'm planning on taking them up to 38PSI front and 36PSI back today, hopefully that should help the rear swing out a bit more.
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Old 12-21-2000, 10:23 AM   #15
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I put the 20mm on my 2000 wagon. Loads of fun in the dry. The car actually pivots around its centerpoint rather than stubborn understeer. I think my OEM bar was ~14mm.

But, I disconnected it shortly after I put the snows on. It was impossible to go through an agressive turn with out lots of power oversteer. Having my rear end swing into other lanes of traffic got old. Now, with no rear, I get these nice smooth tail out 4 wheel drifts when I power out of a turn.

Gotta love this snow. Its like a rally drive every day to work!
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Old 12-21-2000, 01:54 PM   #16
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I have a 18mm SPD swaybar that I could sell you...50% of what you would pay from MShields...I had it on MY99 for about a year until I went up to an ajd. 21mm swaybar...so if you are interested let me know (240) 472-2300!!!

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Old 12-22-2000, 12:07 AM   #17
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I to did just like Motorob and put a Outback 18mm bar on my 98 2.5 GT Wagon and the handling is near perfect, and I only paid $35.00 at the local A/W yard for it. Took only 10 min to change on the lift at work and then took it out for a spin in the rain. The car just wants to go where you point it. Love the new ride qaulity, not to harsh or anything, just right.
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Old 12-26-2000, 04:42 PM   #18
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FWIW, I up-spec'ed my Outback from 18 to the Whiteline 18-20-22, set on 20mm right now. VAST improvement in stability, with less understeer. Wife WAS surprised on an exit ramp, though, in the rain. Got a little tail happy, but she has the training to handle it and all was fine. I have no plans to bump up to 22mm unless I can find a spring/strut Outback solution. Think I'll Plus One next, from 15" to 16" rims and rubber, and also get the brakes up rated somehow.
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Old 12-29-2000, 12:53 AM   #19
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The 98 GT SW has a 16mm rear sway bar
The Outback has an 18mm

I sell the 18mm for $131.00
The 19mm is $149.26

Both sway bar prices include the bushing and shipping in the US

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